Electric Sports Cars Get Cancelled, The Ultimate Car, and a Fiat Multipla! THISCARPOD! EP78

Electric Sports Cars Get Cancelled, The Ultimate Car, and a Fiat Multipla! THISCARPOD! EP78

[Music] Hello and welcome to this car pie. I am Kevin. I’m Fippo. Let’s start with the news. First story is a great one. All right. You’re familiar with Jaguar Land Rover. I know them. Well, I know Land Rover. I don’t know about they vaguely sell cars. They’re all under the same. Land Rover sells cars. Uh they have had a cyber attack about two weeks ago that has impacted operations for the last two weeks. They have not built a single car. Their factory is shut down since the beginning of September. And it may stay shut down through at least November and possibly a little longer. So it could be through the end of the year. So Jaguars on hiatus on their ski trip. They have what is the equivalent of a snow day. So nothing’s getting done. Right. And so the people are saying, “Let’s go down to the pub. Say it in a British way.” Oh, it’s got Oh, it’s going down to the pub. Oh wow. Let’s go. Yeah. Uh but they can’t build any any Range Rovers, any Land Rover products, any Jaguars. Now that they were going to They have been helped thus far by having insane amounts of inventory. Not building any cars hasn’t impacted them yet. Right. Turns out I’m reading between the lines here that you think that there’s a this there’s more to the story. No came from within. No. No. So attack did not come from within. It’s coming from inside. What a conspiracy. It is by the way their second cyber attack this year. Uh that isn’t production. But oh inventory is piled up good. Let’s do another cyber attack. Maybe if I get some insurance money. Actually it might work out. British. Oh I’m trying to pick a different British attack. Yeah, please do. Oh we’ll do a cyber attack. Nice and sneaky cyber attack. Nice. Uh, no, but the the shutdowns may cost them about $3.5 billion in revenues. That’s 12 13% of their annual revenue. Sure. I mean, from this you shut down production for three to four months. Yeah. Uh, the concern is a couple years ago there was a large cyber attack on CDK like a large dealer software says in the US and really impacted sales in the US. Cyber attack on their manufacturing that has impacted their manufacturing. They’re rebuilding all their systems from the ground up. concern is will we see more and more and more of these? Uh but in the meantime, no real concern because well who cyber attack poor Jaguar Land I know it’s tough one to cyber attack. They they they make great cars in Slovakia and other countries sometimes including they shut down production in the UK I think production some other plants the defenders still don’t they voke you know I I posit this which would be tragic if they built few of those. I posit this. I mean that if the cyber attackers just drove a convertible evoke, they would take their attack away. They would say, you know what, I’m sorry. We don’t we didn’t mean it. We’re unattacking you now. Do do that but in a Russian because we assume if you give us range, we will slow down. We will be very make very if you are a cyber attacker, you you have one of two goals. One is to steal data that is valuable. that happened in the first cyber attack they were under this earlier this year. In this cyber or the second goal is that you get paid a ransom to just recover it. I think they hoped that by going after a middling automaker the automaker would be more willing to pay the ransom money then rebuild their systems and they were wrong. The Range Rover the the full size which this isn’t or maybe it is. That’s that’s a sport, right? Uh is the finest vehicle on sale today. It’s a great vehicle. Middling automaker. Okay. You got to combine them with Jaguar. You got to take take the average. Well, true. Yeah. You wonder uh if Jaguar is gonna just kind of Well, there’s a fear that to to make up. Yeah. We got a cyber. Let’s just You know what? I It has to end somehow to to make it’s getting dark. You’re still playing baseball, but then you know, you like you like trip and you skin your knee and it’s like, you know, I’m just going to stop to make up for the for the $5 million a day in profit that this impacts. $5 million a day that they in theory will lose out on. They will probably need to cut R&D costs and cut costs other places and maybe maybe it’ll be then it is a pretty crazy situation that this happens. Obviously big big difficulty for Jaguar Land Rover. Amazing that it could potentially send them offline for 2 3 months and of course every other automaker out there has got to be sitting and wondering are we next? remember the NBC Universal one? Like the large massive companies are not immune to like real attacks that can like have enormous disruptions in their uh production legitimately. Although we make fun of Jaguar and sometimes of Land Rover, we obviously hope that this that they are recovered and that we move on. Yes. And we are not pro- cyber attack. I want to be really clear. We want to take a stand except for Kennon’s Russian voice. Yeah. Yeah. We’re we’re pro that uh Okay. Give us our next news story. Yes. Ford Ford has announced in a very convoluted press release. I read the press release and I simply couldn’t understand what they were trying to come across. Y they’re they’re replacing their new uh their headquarters with a new headquarters that’s 3 miles to the west. That was not mentioned in the press release, by the way. The distance or there being a new headquarters in the press release was un was very uncertain about whether the new headquarters was on the same site as the current headquarters or or in Timbuktu. It it really pull it up. You believe I challenge you to find some of the information that I’m about to tell you. They are going to tear down this which is called something like the window room. It’s actually called glass house, but I prefer the window room. Window room. And they got they’re gonna have a new headquarters that the the one thing I took from the press release is um that did make sense and was clear is that Ford is trying to create a campus that makes them more like a modern and they literally said in the press release a modern tech company like getting away from cars being like the only thing and like onto tech like and you think about Apple’s campus with the giant circle and Facebook’s campus that used to be Yahoo or whatever like you or Sun Micros whatever it was where they have the sign Like you still you think about these things and you think about okay this is where they want to go. And there’s pictures of like the renderings are like people walking next to like reads and bamboo and like a like a you know like a like a p a path that curves with like benches that don’t have a have legs you know. Yeah. Totally. However, one of the drawbacks that I don’t think Ford has realized is that the the campus is still in southeastern Michigan. So, they’re trying to be a tech company, but unfortunately, you you see the problem. I do. They did say that the new headquarters is going to have a million zillion more seats. It’s going to it’s like 14,000 employee capacity versus like 30,000. It’s a 14,000 employee capacity within a 15minute walk of the main building. I noticed that and that I didn’t understand. And that I’m curious about. You know how like high schools in Southern California have trailers? Uhhuh. You think there’s going to be like that? Yeah. Just sort of like on a more grandiose level. Yeah. That was a little odd. So there’s there’s like there’s like walks and buildings which is why tech company canvases sort of the drawback is that it’s cold there. That’s an interesting point. Yes. They’re picturing people just riding bicycles around living in peace like you all. That’s what the rendering showed. And then Yeah. And they forget about February. Do you think they’ll they’ll drive or January or March or December? Do you think they’ll use the think Ford Shelby uh Jim Farley? If you’re not the high bidder on that Ford think uh whatever neighbor. They made a bicycle as well back in the day. My grandfather had one. And so I remember that picture of Jacqu Nasser on the stage riding the Ford bicycle at some auto show before he was fired for consolidating a bunch of brands for I’ve ridden one. Unbelievably heavy. Was it an electric? Yeah. What was it? Like like a huge battery. Is this new campus built? Like cuz like every press release only has pictures of the glass house. The press release implied that it is built and they’re just waiting on landscaping, but there are no photos of it. So, my assumption is that it is not built and however they say they’re going to move in like this year. The whole thing, I’m telling you, read the press confusing stuff. Nonetheless, the point is Ford has moved to headquarters. They’re staying in Dearborn. Um, and presumably Jim Farley will still have an office up there. No, no. They they said in the press release that they are colllocating leadership, design, and engineering teams. Let me tell you something. You you you have a top corn top top level corner office in Dearbornne. You’re looking down on the finest Kmarts, the finest empty parking lots that used to be a Kmart known to man. Y and some Canadian geese. A greater a greater compilation a greater compilation of of dry cleaners and uh strip mall dayc carees you will not find than from the top floor office of this place. First move in 70 years. It’s a new era for Ford. New era for Ford is what probably the press release says. And they’re going to make a lot of those Capri. Nice. Yeah, it’s the Capri, right, that they sell in Europe. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, give us our next one. Oh, spy shot. We talked last week, the week prior, sometime recently about how there were spy shots of a plug-in hybrid RS6 at the Nurburging Rang or undergoing testing. Yeah. Right. And originally, we we all thought, we collectively being wagon enthusiasts. Yeah. Thought that the next generation RS6 would be electric. It be Ron RS6. Did you think that? I thought they said it was plug-in hybrid. No. No. They originally said it was gonna be electric. Then they we saw the shots of it being having tail pipes. So we’re like, “Okay, it’s going to be plug-in hybrid.” There were rumors that the electric version was dead. Viz is the electric version. Testing that was also spied. So there’s a question as to whether the new be electric or plug-in hybrid or both. I thought it was I thought we had already talked about the fact that it am I thinking of something else cuz the BMW is plug hybrid. The Here’s the timeline. Everybody thought it was going to be electric. Then we saw the plug-in hybrid version and there was a rumor that the electric was dead, but now we’ve seen an electric version testing too. So, we’re not really sure what’s going on. Yeah, maybe the RS5 and the RS6 to match. I would also submit to you that I am almost certain they will be doing an RS5 wagon and then an an A5S5 wagon and then an RS5 wagon will also be made and will come to the United States which we will be the first RS4 Avant in the US which would also be okay. the the odd numbers are gas and the even numbers are electric. Maybe um in in that is in theory that was their plan, but I thought they were walking that back. Who knows? So maybe it’ll be the R six and the R seven, the R5 and the R six. People that have studied the spy shots in depth believe that they’re about the same size, but the RS the S5 and the the A5 and the A6 are similar size. Like Yeah, the A5 and the A6 are similar size. Although when I see them, you can really tell that one is electric and one’s not. Like there’s it has an electric car look to it. The Aura. However, this is interesting. This photo is of the plug-in hybrid version. This is the plug. I think I would assume still need some cooling, right? They Yeah, but that you know, but there are other photos that don’t have that same intake where there’s where the intake is covered up differently that we believe to be electric. We don’t know what’s happening. We do know that there will be some sort of fast Audi wagons coming. The RS6 has been a big success. I have absolutely no doubt there will be either an RS5 Avant or a new electric RS6 Avant or both. Um sad that we finally get these fast Audi wagons and it’s the plug-in hybrid era. Like M5, where was the V10 RS6? Because we there because they weigh 12,000 lb and have 1,000 horsepower. That’s not what we wanted. We wanted a V10 M5 with 500 horse that we could own under warranty. Yeah. You could put a dog in the back if you have a schnowzer catcher. the whole thing. And now now we get 900 horse and it weighs 8,400 lb and costs $190,000. It’s like, okay, thank you. And and the look of these cars has gotten completely out of hand, too. Like the remember when the wagons were subtle. The E53 wagon where pricing was released a week or two ago and it’s under 100K is kind of appealing cuz plug-in hybrid not quite as you seen the wheels. The wheels are so big. Well, you can downsize. I don’t know if you can. They got brakes. They got all this stuff. Epic. Anyway, I’m excited for whatever this is. Truly excited, but uh interested in seeing what happens next. More wagons, better. More wagons, better. Hey, this car pod, you know, I’m all about value. Whether it’s my Porsche Carrera GT or a quirky Nissan Morano Cross Cabriolet that makes you do a double take. But today, let’s talk about a different kind of asset, Acre Gold. Inflation’s hitting harder than a V10 at Redline. 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They feel they said that I think it’s is really not the wrong decision. Now this is I thought this was interesting because you know the market seems to not be pleased about this. There haven’t been any in the market. I don’t know how some electric sports cars that have failed. I8 original Tesla Roadster plug and hybrid and before too early. You’re right. If the plug that I there have been no electric um midmarket pin and Fina Batista. There might be the man that we just don’t know about. Yeah. No, I don’t I don’t I think that’s true. I think there’s a By the way, I can give you other How about How about sporty versions of regular cars? RS Tron GT, TYON deals used the direct quote that they gave was you could be you could be aware this car is going to be really really brilliant because it’s light, powerful, and has a combination of a two twodoor sports car. Believe me, it’s going to be good. They were like begging journalists to believe that it’s going to be good, which I’m sure it will be in its own right. Also to first to be light, the battery pack’s got to be small. The range be tiny. Well, light is a light relative to other relative relative to the new M5. It will be light. The new the the Audi S6 is 6,400 lb. This going to be only 4,900 lb. Can I say something? I also read that press release. The person saying all this is the guy in charge of the 718 project and presumably he wants a job. Yes. I like he’s been told certainly by corporate like we are not 911 and 718. I thought it was just 718. So 911 and 78. Now of course he may want a job. If these don’t sell, might be hard to get a job. This is a rendering from Auto Car. Porsche still has not shown this car despite the fact that Audi has shown basically what we consider to be their version in concept form. But Germans don’t think big when it comes to concept cars. You get a pretty good idea of what’s going to happen from basically any German concept car. You should see the A2 concept car. Look it up. It was called the It was called A2 concept car. It was called the That is just none of these is it. Is that it? It’s this. It’s this. That is just an A2. It’s called the AI something aluminum in. And that’s just an A2. So that’s how they do the body the famous Boxster concept. You know, I was thinking about this also. You know, Porsche is debatably one of the most stubborn companies there. For instance, the 911 came out way back in the 60s and like, you know, you put the engine in the wrong place. I’m like, no. And well, they and they’ve then pursued that. So, maybe they feel the same way about this as history has emboldened them to do this. But they have a a general history of kind of saying we are right. We know we are right. We are doing this and it’s going to work. And the problem there are some uh companies and people for whom that has been true and it has worked and um it in some cases that’s true of Porsche. I’m not entirely convinced this will work. However, we get we get a car that looks good. We get a car that drives well. We get the fake shifting. You could see a world in which it happens. You could see a world. But we we’ll hold reservation. However, I have a feeling as they have said, but we are considering a hybrid. Maybe this podcast has been very critical of the possibility of electric sports cars including this one. have not including cancelling I have and will continue to be after driving the MG Cyberster which was excellent but no one would mistake for a excellent like sport like a true competitor to a well MG’s never made a great sports car and by the way I do want to say in case the deer leader is watching it was great for God’s sake don’t don’t keep cutting off Kenan’s toes um I like them where they are no but but I I we’ve been we we’ve been critical and I think A lot of enthusiasts have been critical of EV sports cars. I think the enthusiasts generally feel there is a place for electric cars. However, electric sports cars don’t necessarily have such a place. Uh and this will be like the first real test. I’m still very skeptical. But you know, I remain skeptical critical of four cylinder base PDK Caymans. So, or 78. I just disagree with that. One of the one of the most fun experiences I ever had in my entire life in a car when I was working at Porsche, I took my 997 to the dealer for service and they gave me a base boxer. the only but that’s still flat six. The only and I rang that car out. I don’t think the four-cylinder kills it that much. I like the 718. Broad understanding that that four-cylinder is way less characterful than the flat 6 was. And if you may you’re going to remove character, you may as well make it. This is like the 458 F8 thing. Like we complained about the F8 when it went to a turbo V8. And but if an electric one came out, we would be begging for the F8. We’d be like, “Oh god, please F8, come back.” I agree that because I think it will. Porsche makes fun to drive cars. And I don’t see why that would change. That is a great car. Well, that’s also a flat flat. You want to hear Do you want to hear my Cayman GT4 theory right now? Okay. No, I’m going to give you my Cayman GT4 theory right now. I developed this theory last week at dinner and I’ve refined it and it’s beautiful. Now, here’s my Cayman GT4 theory. Ken is going to continue. I’m listening. The Cayman GT4, that vehicle is the sports car. Yeah. And it is the nucleus that for which all sports cars are. And if you’ve made a sport any enthusiast automotive decision that isn’t a Cayman GT4, you have strayed from the automotive sports car nucleus. Do you understand? Yes. Give us examples. And so, so if for example like my career GT, Cayman GT4 is the nucleus. Career GT is out over here. And the type of person who does that has an ego and wants a hyper car. They should just have a Cayman GT4. All this this the presupposition here is that all car all sports car drivers should have a Cayman GT4. But anything you choose outside that realm says something about you that you have elected not to get a Cayman GT4. You have cho you have looked at the best and you have made it. It’s not necessarily that you’ve chosen a worse car. It’s just that like you want an old car or you want a cheaper car, you want a cheaper car, but you you know at your heart that the nucleus the best option is the Cayman GT. The single best. It sits at the nuclear, right? The the neutral option. There is. That’s right. It’s almost like the neutral perfect sports car. And no sports car that you choose can ever be chosen because better is the only reason over a Cayman GT4. There is instead like you want something softer, you want something with four seats, all that stuff. Totally acceptable. But the nucleus car is the Cayman GT4 Canon, not the Miata. So when we look at Canon, no, I think you picked the wrong car. That’s what I was saying. I think some people would I like that, but some would say that having a flashy red Porsche is kind of like flexing. Doesn’t have to be red, folks. Okay. All right. Interesting point. However, I would say fine, we’ll do I’ll do a two price point nucleus. At this price point, it’s the Cayman GT4. At the lower price point, it’s the ND three specifically two and that’s it. Those are your two nucleus cars. And any decision you’ve made beyond there says something about you in a way that isn’t necessarily bad. Like I look at Kennon. Kennon has his M5. That’s because Kennan, he could have got a nucleus car. He wants more practicality. He wants more analog. He is maybe a BMW enthusiast. That’s what it says. But we know that he has strayed from the the core. I support this fully. Well, yeah. I also What about the Boxster Spider? Is that just the same? No. No. That that says about you that you also agree the Cayman GT4 is the core, but you want something open and you want something a little softer because the Boxster Spider has softer sprunk. Only on the I think that only applies to the 981. And so you’re sitting there thinking, I want softer. I want convertiblier. And I know the perfect car is the Cayman GT4, but that’s what I want. And so that tells you that you’re straying. Not in a bad way, just that you’re straying. So any sports car decision, for instance, you get a C5 Corvette, we know maybe you’re a little more boomer, right? Right. Filipo, the Cayman GT4 nucleus theory. You heard it on this podcast first and only here. Let me talk about when Johnny Lieberman tries to co-opt this theory as his own. All right, you remember where you heard it on September the whatever. Okay, you I like this theory. I I’m supportive. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Moving on. Okay. If you chose a Durango, what does that say about you? If you chose a Durango, it says that you’re probably um uh a little bit like a little bit more like you you’ve you’ve gone hunting in the last couple weeks. Let’s let’s put it that way. All right. You’ve spent time in a hunting blind this month. Depend when you listen. Yeah. Okay. Um All right. So, the Durango is back. You guys know this. We thought it was the end of the Durango. It’s back and it’s only V8. Yeah. There are three V8s offered. Yeah, there’s a 5.7 L in the uh GT. Uh there is a 6.4 liter in the RT and then the Hellcat has I think supercharged 6.4 liter something like that. They have different outputs. Uh only V8. The V6 is gone. No Pentastar and this Durango. But two of those models are not legal in the 17 states that follow carb regulations. Well, uh can I just can I just make a point here? So that is to say, by the way, only the GT is available in every state. The other ones were available in only. I’m not I’m not sitting here trying to get political, but can you pull up a map of the carb states? No. And and and then at the same time, can you pull up a map of the 20 24 president? No, you got to type in carb states. And then at the same time, can you pull up a map of the 2024 uh presidential election? I have a sus. Oh my god, what was happening? that we’ve upset these guys. I have a suspicion and I’m just going to throw it out there that this is let’s just say this isn’t going to be a problem. I don’t Okay, I you I would agree with you except for a couple of things who buy supercharged V8 Durango and the type of people who live in Minnesota, New York, Vermont, and Oregon. Okay, that’s not a crossover there. No. Okay, Nevada, first of all, that’s where most of them are sold. And then followed by Long Island, where the rest of them are sold, and so and Northeast Philadelphia, where the rest of them are sold. There are some places on here, like central Virginia, that’ll be disappointed. Uh, but by the way, the Arizona and Florida are on here, repealed carb states. So, I want to be clear, this is a map, but like here’s the thing. the Durango LV8 Durango, the Durango Hellcat and the Durango RT or whatever it was called, uh, have a lot of overlap and a lot of crossover with Republican conservative areas in otherwise liberal states. Hawaii, Hawaii is a carb state, I thought, uh, not according to this map. States that are on this map, by the way, for people listening, Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, just all the states that the entire Northeast except for New Hampshire, except Yeah, except for New Hampshire, which says a lot, by the way. You know who’s you know who lucks out here is people in Illinois and Michigan which are Democrat states but because of their presumably because of their manufacturing situation they have not passed carbs. So they still get to drive their big old I think Hawaii just doesn’t I think Hawaii is a car. It is not based on every article but they don’t care regardless. It’s interesting. It’s been a long time since a major manufacturer has sold the majority of a model trims not in in only 33 of the 50 states. You see you saw with EVs for a while where they were only sold in in the car and but it wasn’t a legality. No, it just that’s where they sold. It was because carb had a requirement that an automaker had to have a full EV in order to sell. Yep. And those cars could be sold out of state. What people don’t realize, we joke about this, but what people don’t realize is these cars when they become used cars, this becomes a significant problem. Yep. Because you try to get it into one of these states and um in a lot of cases you can’t. So like if you buy a Durango Hellcat in Georgia and then you sell it to a guy in Richmond, he might not be able to register. I I will say Dodge has said that they’re trying to update their engines to make them carb compliant. They’re trying to work with carb to to change this uh for the 6.2 L, which is the the Hellcat engine and the 6.4. Feels like we’re living in the 70s. because I just say like the cars won’t in a lot of ways. It’s going to happen. It’s going to be a recurring theme, I suspect. Uh anyway, tough tough news for those of us in California and uh other states where we want our Hellcat Durangos. Okay. I think you can still buy the one from 2 years ago. You could buy them used, but they’re expensive. What about Trackhawks? Oh, those are off the market cuz there’s a new Grand Cher and those are not those are crazy money. Okay, next news. A door hand must be fel This is a Tesla door handle. I think this is a Model 3 picture, but we’re talking about the Model Y specifically. Uh Tesla door handles especially, you know, I vibes the the the 2021 Model Y specifically is under NHTSA investigation or they might be opening an investigation uh because it’s trapping occupants. Here’s what’s happened. Okay. In the in the Model 3, Model Y, as in a lot of other EVs, it’s electrically actuated. The door handle doesn’t actually open the door. Right. Right. You It’s like an electric release. Yep. Uh but it becomes a problem if the low voltage battery dies because then that doesn’t work. And there have been a few cases around the country where uh children have been trapped inside as a result of this because they can’t use the like manual in the interior there’s a manual override. You can get out and uh if you look at how you do that in a Model Y front seat it’s easy. There’s like a lever you pull you can get out. I don’t think there is a way to do it. is you need to remove the trim around around like the like the the door handle and if you remove that you can get to a switch. Obviously a young child cannot Yeah. Especially in a car seat or whatever. And so there’s a concern that they don’t have the right redundancies or the right backups to actually do that. In some vehicles and I’m going way too deep into this. Sorry. The Mach like the Ford Mache you can connect like an auxiliary battery if you remove the cowling around the windshield. You can like plug in a battery so that you can then open it. That apparently does not BS is so BS. All these electric door handles are so BS. Um, we the Let me I’m gonna tell you an electric door handle story. I have I own personally a white MercedesBenz station wagon. Yeah. E450 allterrain. Shout out by the way to Travis Okowski who just bought one. Really? Yeah. Wow. Should be looking over there. He’s not here today. No, I was hoping. Uh, what’s the camera? Um, okay. So, we have one of these. So, right now I have the press car of the new one and I let my wife drive it cuz she drives the one we have and I said, “Hey, you should check this out while we have it.” I mean, I have no plans to replace the car anytime soon. It’s got 30,000 mi, but when we do replace it, it will be with the new station. The new one has these electronic doors. Yeah, that’s annoying. It’s annoying. Doesn’t even begin to describe it. Uh, you walk up to the car and they’ve closed, right? How do you open them? Well, you tap the door handle. Except that locks the doors. Oh, okay. So, what now? You push the door handle. Nothing. Push it on again. Nothing. Then you like, okay, you take the key out of your pocket like it’s 2016. And then you press the button and then the door handle pops out. And it’s like, this is worse. My wife literally said to me, I would not buy this car solely because of the door handles. Wow, man. That’s real. And I don’t disagree. It was incredibly annoying filming it because you’re like in and out of the car all the time and the door handles just close after a while even though the doors are are unlocked. Is the is the manufacturer’s reason for this safety so like people can’t grab onto the door handles and pull it. Is that what they’re saying? I think there’s a couple things. I think that the um arrow is one of them. I think that they like the fact that they can get the door handles snug on the body. If you talk to designers, I think that there’s a lot of turbulence with sticky Audi door handles. Sure. Um and so all EV door handles are are snug and then they pop out. So that helps. Um and it’s otherwise justic decision. Yeah, it just it’s cool to just push a button. I I know I’m going to sound like I sound, but it it’s just like the the door handle worked for 120 years, right? And I understand that there’s always a need to innovate stuff to be gimmicky, but when you actively like it the fact that Yeah. And then they fail. Exactly. So like this isn’t just a problem with 9V batteries. They fail and then guess what you need to have as a redundancy door handle. So like what have you actually done? You’ve accomplished little if anything other than turning customers away who don’t want it, which your wife just said she wouldn’t. So, like I just don’t see there’s a lot of stuff like this that bothers me, but that it just seems so. It’s like the BMW turn signals. I drove that X1. That’s so annoying. So annoying. Signal, too. Just make it work normal. Yeah. There’s a few things that I’m like Kenan on which but I think there are a few things that we as a society should be like Kenned on where we just draw the line and say this was perfected, right? And we don’t need to improve it. And I I will say before Tesla people comment in the comments, the Model 3, Model Y door handles are not electronically actuated in that sense. You push in to pull out. So it’s not a it’s different than some of it’s not a mechanical when you pull it. It’s still an electronic release. Yes. But unlike some others where like they pop out of the body and that’s what you’re complaining about. But the Model S has those. Yes. Uh there’s something else I can say about it. Oh, it is a great way to know which of your neighbors left their car unlocked and who you can steal from theory cuz you they stay out in theory. But that E-Class wagon, they don’t stay out. You unlock it and after a few minutes they close again, which which is where the problem was caused. And I think that’s true of a lot of them now because for that reason, they don’t want it to be clear that the car is locked. Just just have normal door handles. Figure out their have normal door handles. We agree on any other news from the inside. There’s no benefit. You press the button and you filter. It’s slightly cooler. I’m in the lucid gravity. It’s got like a trigger. It’s kind of cool. If you need your door handles to be cooler, if that’s what just get a cooler car, though, that’s what EVs are going to have to do. All these gimmicks to look cool because the the You know what? Stop the same. Stop focusing on the door handles. Make the cars float. I mean, right. I I would accept that. If the door handles come in for floating reasons, I’d be okay with that. Although, if they’re at the water’s at that level, you’re in a tough spot. 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They want to do we got to do something and so and I they said we don’t want to be we want to design new cars and we want to be Batman not Superman and they just then they went on a tirade talking about the differences between Batman that was weird they were like Superman Superman is like too they this is a direct quote from them which by the way you would have been fired in the US. Yeah absolutely Batman is the one who is too dangerous for your you would have been fired during the Biden era. Batman is the one who is too dangerous for your daughter. We want to be the dangerous son-in-law. Superman is a little bit like the nice son-in-law. So, they want to be they they want your daughter to be kind of like afraid, right? They want Batman the bad guy. But, but then and it’s like why is my daughter being brought? This is we’re talking about we’re talking about plug-in hybrid cars. But then, that’s the thing. Then the designer who also, you know, works for AMG said that, well, we don’t want to be too Batman. So, it’s like which is it? And it’s just such a weird idea. When we when a new product is being planned, we asked, “Is this Batman enough?” They did make an interesting point which was AMG customers don’t want to buy a Mercedes. They’re not trying to buy a Mercedes. They’re trying to buy an AMG, right? So, the whole the whole point is they want to make them more edgy and more aggressively styled and like that’s kind of what they want and cooler. Now, I would argue that most AMG cars are kind of that already. That’s, you know, been their thing, especially that turbo four-cylinder C-Class. Right. Right. Well, mistake long way which will by the way V6 version is coming. But never forget the W211 E55 AMG commercial of beating the monster out of the house back down into the engine bay. Some would say that’s what they’ve been doing for a while. They should continue that ethos. But I don’t this whole identity crisis is weird. Now they are looking to expand AMG more in China. And I think that that’s like the target is they want the cars to be edgy and really cool and appeal to people. However, this was a bizarre train of thought. No, I I think I think I agree that it’s a little weird, but I think the concept of it is interesting. Like they want they want the cars to be like AMG, they specifically are thinking in this way. Well, some of them are, right? That all came from the board member in charge of AMG, but then the head of design for Mercedes-Benz said something very different like it must be distinctive, but the lineup is plenty Batman today and some are too Batman. Like I there’s just internal disagreement that is wild. By the way, uh, credit to Eliza Priddle from Motor Trend for the story. We’re taking a lot of this from the story that she wrote. But Batman, Batman or or not Batman? Maybe it’s already too bad. No, Batman. But not too No, not too much. Not too much Batman. Someone too Batman. Too Batman. They have just restraint. But but not if you’re the board member in Star Charger AMG, then you want more Batman. No. This is like if Nick were your board member, then you’re an actual like reasonable person as the designer. So true. That’s what we want Batman. He’s like, “Your daughter’s got to be afraid.” All right, let’s knock 20% off there, Nick. And calm down. Uh, all right. But either way, I think it’s an interesting It’s an interesting look into how they see AMG in the future and how they see AMG today and how they’re thinking about it. They want Superman is not enough. They don’t want to be fast and like well put together. They want to be like a little edgier, which I agree is kind of how it is, but it’s nice to It’s interesting to hear them thinking about it that way. Yeah. Remember the GLA45 at the Big Wing? Of course. There you go. Batman. Damn. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that man would have driven that if he was like if recent college grad in PR and if they had paid for the product placement in the movie. That’s true. And then you when you open the doors and you have the AMG logo, there’s your BAT logo, you know. Yeah. Whoa. All right. Give us the last news story is uh some sort of This is This was a weird one. So, I didn’t know that this car existed. I don’t know a lot of these ’90s concept cars, but there’s a 90 You’re a Lamborghini man. There’s a 1990s Lamborghini called the the question as it were the Quest. I made a question which means pregnant. The question, what is pregnant in Italian? Ina. Oh my god, they screw up everything. But I will say most Lamborghini names are Spanish as is Buna. Ironically, Enchinta means enchanted. So he doesn’t know the language. If you’re pregnant, you’re enchanted. Yeah, how beautiful. Italian does it again. One thing they didn’t do is style this car in a way that looks good. No, all the pictures of it are kind of dark. I think that’s probably good. But underneath it’s a Diablo, so it still has a 5.7 L V12. makes 530 horsepower, 446 footp pounds of torque. It’s rear wheel drive only like all early Diablos were. And this was built during like the uh the Chrysler era just before Lamborghini was purchased by Audi. So I think this was the direction they thought they wanted stuff to go in for the new millennium because it is a little more swoopy looking. This is a 25-y old automobile. What is the news component? That’s for sale. It’s for sale. For sale. I just I didn’t know it existed. I there I I don’t know much about Lamborghini. been at the Lamborghini Museum for the last like decade. Lamborghini themselves is selling it. No, I don’t. No, it’s owned by a collector, but it was on display at the Lamborghini Museum for the last four years. You know who’s not going to buy it? You. Lamborghini. Yeah. They’re like, you know, we’re all set on this one, actually. Right. I was wondering we disavow, I guess. Yeah. I wonder if it was like how sometimes GM sells their concept cars because, you know, they a little bit of money, so they I wonder if that’s just let stuff go over time. It’s so awesome. They don’t anymore, but like there was a period like Chrysler era Lambo concept car. It was like, we’re all set. We don’t need this anymore. But I think it is interesting cuz that again this was actually kind of a departure from the Gandini styling. It doesn’t look like the Countach or Wedge, but instead Audi for the next gen then decided to it was a question. It was a pregnant pause, if you will. It was, look at these like big things on the doors. To be clear, they took a Diablo and a a French like coach builder Hulas built it for this and then owned it for a while. Nonetheless, it’s a weird car and we have to move on to the talk car segment. The talk car segment is brought to you this week by Kenan’s M5. A thanks M5. Uh uh what we got to start with the Countach. You want to tell the story currently? Yeah, let’s do it. Let’s just get this is today’s hot off the presses. Doug texted us this morning and said something is leaking from the Countach, not from the back, which is where the engine lives, where all the oil is. All 17.8 L of it. Nope. It was coming from the front of the car. Now, you claim that it was not uh a brake fluid, which is the only fluid I could think of that’s up there. May have been. I’m guessing. Did you taste it? No, I didn’t taste it. That’s what you do. How do you How do you know that? It felt like engine oil, but it didn’t seem like engine oil like cuz it’s in the front. But then someone suggested it’s coming from a cool an oil cooler up there. Like a some sort of cooling situation in the front. It’s probably true, but it is oil coming from You don’t think that’s true? There’s radiators up there. There are radiators. They cool the oil. I thought the oil coolers are just mounted in the back and Yeah, probably. Aren’t the radiators in the back? I thought Yeah, cuz you know it’s mid engine. Yeah, but a lot of mid engine cars. Yeah, but that’s kind of the point of the giant, you know, that’s why they they they have those ears on. It’s the We haven’t even opened it. We haven’t. We just got in. Yeah, I haven’t I haven’t taken a look at it yet. I will do some investigative work. I’m curiously leaking. We’ll find out because the only reason I know the brake fluid reservoir is up there and obviously it doesn’t have power steering, so it’s not flat. And it’s the point is the Countach is leaking. We I finally have to service it, which I’ve been dreading for since it got back from its last service almost two years ago. It hasn’t been touched by a mechanic and I’ve been driving it a ton and every day I drive it, I’m like a little anxious. Is this going to be the day? And and actually I get less and less anxious because it never has been the day. But we are getting to a point now where it just needs an oil change regardless because it’s been almost 2 years. I’ say in that time I’ve only let it add added one liter of oil. That’s all it’s needed. Like it really hasn’t been burning oil. It doesn’t it doesn’t really leak. It leaks a couple little drops but for a car of age motor can I comment on the fact that you saw an oil leak or a leak like yeah I’ll drive it anyway. Well the couple thing a couple factors part played a role in that. Number one, car smells fine. Okay. No, but what happened was I actually saw the oil leak a couple weeks ago and it was it was pretty small and the G cab had been parked in that spot and I was and the GC cab is front engine. So, I was wondering if maybe it was the GC cab that was leaking. Um, and then I got to the car. It’s been sitting for a week. I got to the car today and there was there was this fluid was also on the wheel which is odd and I couldn’t understand where it’s leaking from the wheel front left wheel and which suggests more of the brake fluid thing but also it could have been as it was driving onto the lift maybe it got some on the tire and it leaked down onto the wheel like that could be a red herring cuz I didn’t it was dry on the in the entire fender liner um but I didn’t really look inside the wheel but it came from the top like the dump there are no lines makes no sense makes no s we have a mystery we have a mystery phantom oil whatever it is though. It It’s been a few weeks and it’s only been It hasn’t been much. It’s been probably I don’t know like a petri dish of oil. Like this car has so much oil in it that like unless there’s a real leak, I’m not all that concerned. Plus, I have oil in the car. I just add 17 lers. Yeah. So, we got to figure it out. But the Countach has finally had something happen and um that’s it’s time to do some servicing. It’s probably telling me, “Hey, dude, it was time to do some servicing anyway.” Probably true. I mean, I think you’ve gotten lucky with how I mean, it was George Evans knows what he was doing. The car was the car has been set up really reliably and uh which is another reason why I’m just obsessed with having this Countach, but the last service was done in December of 23, which included an oil change and a million other things. Um, so came out of the car. Engine came out on a tow truck, right? Yep. That’s one. Yes. You crane it. Yeah. Quite wild. So, I got to figure this out. You ready to f it up there? Yeah, carry it up there. I’m not sure where I’m going to service it yet. I got a few options. Got a few options. So, that’s the Countach big. Hot off the presses, folks. Big news. The other hot off the press thing that I want to talk about in the talk car segment is embargos. Embargos. We love embaros. You want to have the conversation? I do. Sure. All right, folks. Today was the Mustang GTD embargo. When you pull up the video, which was brilliant, by the way, I haven’t had a chance to watch it yet, despite the fact that it came out at 3:00 a.m. Pacific time today. I’m Can I show you something that that it’s going to be a little a little Easter egg for you? Yeah. See this? Okay. Pause it right there. Open up a new tab. Type in Go to YouTube and go Bronco Raptor. Oh my god. Is it the same place? Watch this. Watch this. Oh, you don’t have to type in Doug Deir. First Bronco Raptor. Unless the damn Throttle House people have gotten one. Okay, now pause it. Now go back. Here’s an Easter egg for you. Same public parking garage in Palm Springs. Slightly different spot. Same the house. Well, one’s taller. I mean, I don’t know. No, but the the house is And I’ll tell you this. Here’s a crazy factoid for you. Crazy factoid. Both of these videos, inexplicably, they made us come to Palm Springs in the middle of the summer. And I’m not exaggerating when I say I was the only person in Palm Springs. It was me and Ford. Okay. Can I ask you a question? Nonetheless, Nonetheless, Nonetheless, both times a security guard came up here and put pressure on me to leave. I’m not exact. This is a public parking garage that you can just park in. Nobody was there. Nobody was in the whole city. That’s why it’s confusing when somebody is his one job. There’s the one day of the year he’s busy the day you’re filming. And I went to the top. It’s It wasn’t like I was like taking up prime real estate next to the three cars that were parked there. One of which was an Ionic 5 plugged in with the person sitting inside trying to get some juice presumably to drive somewhere that wasn’t 140°. Anyway, why did they do it out there? The embargos because of the racetrack. Oh, they they had racetrack time. The embargo for this video is at 6:00 a.m. Eastern, which is 3:00 a.m. Pacific. If you’re an automaker and you’re watching this, and I know you are. I know you are. Yeah. Do not make your embargos 6:00 a.m. Eastern ever. It is a bad idea. You’re trying to get your stuff launched across the broadest swath of North American consumer. I have studied this my entire YouTube career 13 years. And the answer is you want to go live at noon Eastern, which is 9 Pacific. It hits everybody. It allows the East Coast people to see it at lunchtime and carries your story throughout the afternoon. It allows the West Coast people to get it right in the morning. That is the time you want to go live always, 100%. When you launch at 3:00 a.m. Pacific, it makes no sense. It’s insane. The the West Coast doesn’t get the stuff. The stuff’s already out. When you wake up, it doesn’t it the story is lost by the middle of the day. It is bad. Filipe, your thoughts? I’m aligned. So, I I think for some cars, like there are cars where maybe like if it’s like a truly mainstream automobile, you want to be able to hit some morning news items. Like, what when is that even happening? Like what when are they trying to make it? want to own the day Walter Journal the like it it’s not I agree with you they should be optimizing for when the most reach is admittedly for different channels it’s going to be a little different the most reach is you’re right Eastern for North you’re right yeah I agree we’ve we’ve spent months I mean when I used to when I when I was obsessive about every little minute with with releasing videos I tried everything and over time discovered the right time is noon and for analytics reasons it takes about 3 minutes for a video to spin up when you launch it and so I used to actually uh cheat and beat embargos by 3 minutes just so the video would be spun up by the time the hour started. Something for you all to think about. Something for you all that it’s aspiring creators to think about. Anyway, Mustang GTD. I got nothing to say about the car itself. Let’s move on. I just learned something kind of shocking. Netflix has over 18,000 titles globally, but only about 7,000 are available here in the US. That means that you’re missing out on literally thousands of shows unless you have ExpressVPN. ExpressVPN lets you change your online location so that you can control where you want Netflix to think that you are. Netflix hides content based on your location, but with ExpressVPN, you can unlock shows from all over the world. They have service in over 105 countries and all 50 US states, so you’ll never run out of stuff to watch. I use it to watch old episodes of Top Gear on UK Netflix. All I had to do was open ExpressVPN, select the UK, click one button, refresh Netflix, and I was instantly there. 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But a regular person sees this loud Mustang with a big wing and they’re like, “This guy’s going to spin out at Cars and Coffee.” But it looks so good. It does look good. That’s exactly how I would get it, too. Whatever that color is, whatever those wheels are, yeah, it’s a little bit of a problem with I worry that people won’t quite appreciate what this car is, which is it’s fundamental. It’s a race car and it’s set up for that purpose. Is it a great street car? No. Will it get attention on the street? No. To be fair, neither does like a GT3 RS anymore. Yeah. Uh so I worry that people are going to buy for the wrong reasons. Well, I don’t know who I mean, people are nobody’s going to buy it. I worry that people are going to view it as a failure for the wrong reason. No, it’s not a They’re going to sell out and these are going to go for way over. This is a fantastic car. I think it’s going to be a huge hit, but I do think that like you don’t necessarily get the cred that you might think you I I can’t think of a $330,000 car that gives you less cred. Oh, I can like what? I got to think about it for a minute, though. You got one less cred. Also, think about the GT4 Nucleus. A speced out 992 Turbo S. Um, somehow that’s less. I think that’s a Porsche. Like that gives you cred. Like you pull up somewhere and it’s like, yeah, it’s a got a Porsche Turbo. I will say it’s also true of every C8 Corvette. Like the Z06 you got to know to know. The ZR1 I suspect you got to know to know. Yeah. But a C8 a Corvette is cooler just on a base level. Yeah. Right. You’re right. This is so I think this is so cool. I was driving and I’m telling you no one was on the road. So no one even saw me really. But the three people who were there thought I was just driving a modded Mustang. But a well- modded Mustang. Respect for that. Yeah. Yep. So well, so well modded. It looked factory. What do you you want one of these? I do love the GTD. I again the the the multimatic suspension system in it is it’s a very legitimate car. I agree with what you’re saying. But if you buy this for if you buy it to impress others, you’re buying it for the wrong reason. If you buy it to impress yourself, I would imagine this is an incredible car to drive and probably very rewarding on the track. People track them and don’t buy them and leave them in their garage with zero miles. Let me There’ll be people both. I want to see both. Let me ask you a question. I drove my Ford GT Blue White out there. Yeah. You know the one Midnight? I’m familiar. You heard of it? Which would you rather have for the same money? That’s See, that’s a Yeah. Are they the same money though? Uh yeah. Well, my Ford GT is 375 and I think this is 375 with options. I Oh, wow. just pulling a mic. Would love I I think the Ford GT that you own is one of it’s probably the favorite my most favorite of your cars. Oh, how sweet. I think uh so I’d rather have it. I think it’s so special. America’s lone supercar. Really? Uh I I’ll say by that statement. Uh what about the later Ford GT? No. What about the Oldmobile Aerotch? Yes. Pull that up. Good point. You remember the Ultimate Techch? I don’t know. Oh, AJ F. This was a a Yeah, there you go. Like that. Oh yeah, of course. Yeah, they they made and sold many of these. Wonder what happened to this thing. They probably sold it no way during the concept car sale. Exactly. For like $36,000. Ultimate Aurora looking thing though. Uh anyway, the point is I went to GTD and drove it. Uh and there’s a review out on Doug’s channel right now and you should watch the review and complain to your local automobile manufacturer about embargo timing. Yes. Uh okay, Filippo, talk about the Multipla, please. I have to. So, our friend Nick bought a multiplier. Nick bought a multiplier, which I’m incredibly excited about. Can you pull up his Insta here? Is that a thing? Yeah. And people in our friend group have been making fun of the multiplier and in the comments have been making fun of the multiplier. I will not accept that. I want to make that really clear. If you simply Google ugliest cars and go to Google images, the first car are wrong. Is the multiplier. I really deserve it. Third one is too. The second one is a Corbin Sparrow, which isn’t even really a car. Well, look in the top 10, three of them. I to be fair, I also disagree about the es cargo. I don’t think it’s that ugly. Three of them are three of them are S cargos or three of them are multiplas and two of them are Corbin sparrows, which aren’t really cars. The And here’s a multiplicer is that ugly either multip where you pull it up. The multipla is a vehicle that is just eminently practical. It’s all about practicality and it achieves something that pretty much no other car does in a very small footprint. Seven inches longer than the 82 we’re looking at over there. You can still make fun of you can have three rows of wide adult seating or two rows of wide seating three across and space. And I don’t think like you need to do that to achieve the practicality. It needs to look a little funky. It’s a little tall. It’s a little weird. But it does not mean that it’s ugly. It just means that it looks purposeful. Wow. He’s really going to Oh, wow. That has a duck. That’s what it looks like. It looks purple. Great packaging. It legitimately looks We should celebrate. That is I think that is a fit moment. Go zoom in on that with the with the with the front with the front end and the eyes where the lights are. It really legitimately looks like it looks like I’ve always called it a platypus cuz it is. God created the platypus for a reason. It’s not that it looks a little like it. It looks a lot like it. Really? Go back to the platypus. I am. Holy crap, dude. Have you ever put this together? I did it when I did my video. I talked about it, but I don’t think I really looked at a at a picture of a platypus. It is pretty wild. I I think that we should applaud the engineers that that created it. And we’re certainly not designers, the engineers that created it because achieving that level of engineering excellence and not sacrificing the practicality, the excellentness, the engineering for the sake of design and trying to appeal to the mass market I want to support and therefore I don’t want to make fun of it because I don’t want to dissuade others. I just went through this whole thing about the Nissan Juke and you assailed me. I did not. Yes, I did. I was like I was like the reason that cars are boring is because y’all make fun of the Nissan Juke. Nissan the Nissan Juke is dumb and ugly and it’s stupid. I don’t think it’s a good vehicle. So like I think that that is style with no rationale. There’s no reason for it to be a vehicle. You think that the headlights You think that the headlights on this like like you know protrusion, we’re all about maximizing. Honestly, I think that this looks better than the facelift that removed that. So yes, I agree that. But I have to say, I agree they fit a lot into this car for practicality. But why as a design basis they choose this little creature with this really funny buck bill? Man, platypuses are weird because and they’re only like they’re tiny. They’re not. You think they’re large. This looks like the off like the XRT trim of a real animal. I’m not that wrong about that. Platypus. Yeah. Yeah. Like it’s got like the gray the gray the gray. It looks like they like rhinolined it or something. It’s got like the gray accents and it’s got like a wider stance. It’s got like a wide Look upon 5 XRT. It looks like it it looks like a Prairie Dog XRT. Yeah, I’m not that wrong. Like they got like the the bumper, the lolo like that fender flares. That’s exactly what it is. The platypus is like a squirrel or prairie dog or groundhog XR. Today’s brought to you by the platypus. I will not accept multiple. It’s such an excellent vehicle that it can accept being styled for purpose. You can make fun of it. I make fun of it, but you can’t call it bad or ugly. I can call it ugly. Absolutely. Styled for a purpose. No, I The thing about cars is we can always make fun of, you know, one of the problems I’ve always had is that some very sensitive members of the audience get very upset when I make fun of cars. And like I don’t get upset at all when you make fun of my cars. Like they’re they’re silly. There’s like all kind of silly, right? like my Sequoia. Um and and the the Countach encourage you to if you’d like to make a wagon. You’re welcome. Yeah. Well, obviously. Um but people get upset and you sensitive Filipo over here doesn’t want his Italian heritage to be slandered. I don’t. That’s what it’s all about. I don’t even own it. That’s so true. Why don’t I I asked Nick about it. I was like, you know, what made you do it? He was like, I just could tell that Filipo was just going to talk about it forever and someone just needed to do it. So, someone did it and that someone was a platypus. Uh, okay. Kenon, tell us about Miata. Then we have to move on to questions. We got to skip the market reports. Questions are really good this week. This is the best week of questions we’ve ever had. Wow. So, again, this kind of ties back to what we were talking about earlier, but I recently drove an ND Miata and it was like an ND2 Miata and it was the one you wanted. The BBS wheels, the brakes, the seats. It’s wonderful. A friend Kevin’s car and I was driving it and like you, I thought, this is the essence. It’s all you really need. And the interesting thing was I’ve always felt the the Miata was down on power. The ND2 got quite a bump in torque and makes a tremendous difference to that car and it was just everything. It was just everything you need. And I really thought about what you said about ego and it’s like that’s it. I still want a Viper, but it’s cuz I like big engines and that’s like here’s the Miata. I’m making this concession to have something else. And I thought more on that Nucleus theory. But I like you said, I think there are two, the GT4 and this. Those are the nucleus cars. Yeah, the nuclei. Yeah, I agree. ND2 is amazing. I prefer the RF. ND2 is amazing. You’re the only person. If you had an ND2 and a GT4, that’s it. If I had those two cars, I wouldn’t even need friends. That’s so true. We couldn’t fit many of them in the cars anyway. So, I would just get in my cars every day and drive. They would be my friends. If you lived in a gorge southwest France and all you needed to do was drive and didn’t really need to do anything else because they’re not productive there, you could have those two cars and that would be it. Yep. You don’t like the RF more? No, I do. I Why add weight? Yeah, cuz it looks cooler and a hard top’s important in a cold climb. Well, we don’t live in a cold climb. But you never know when you get an a Miata, you never know where that road’s going to lead. I’ll tell you what. Well, yes, you can just go thunkk. You can still do the th with the roof and it was fine. Yeah, true. Plus, it Yeah. Pull up an RF. Go to the Go to the site. We sell these things so often. Promo the site. Cars and bids for God’s sake. There’s one right there. go to that one. The RF, by the way, are also decreasing in value, but holding their value. So, they were so much more expensive. God, I love this car. This is such a good looking car. Any point is any ND. Yeah, the ND2 specifically is the one I would pick, but like and I drove that supercharged one that was awesome. You know, in an era where most cars are getting worse from an enthusiast perspective, like if you like the old stuff, I truly believe this is the best Miata ever made. It has enough modern tech, but it’s still like true to its roots. It looks good. It still drives well. Like I I truly believe that in 25 years we’ll look back on some cars from this era as being bad and this one as being like an amazing drive one. I’ve never driven an ND. It’s so good. I can’t but I really want to drive an ND1 cuz they’re so affordable. He had an NB and hated it though. I liked my ND. I just didn’t love it. But that’s true of you in all cars. You’ve never loved a car except for uh you’ve never owned it. Loved it so much you never owned it. Correct. He he wasn’t willing to pony up the $6,100 to get it here. Can Can we talk about one thing about the NDA? Yeah. All right. The that the one that you drove had the Brembo BBS Ricaro package. Yes. Which is one of the simultaneously best named and worstnamed packages. It is literally just Brembo/BS/ Ricaro. There is, by the way, also the Brembo BBS package that doesn’t have the Ricaros. Why didn’t they just call it the sport package? Right. But I’m glad they didn’t in the community. Is this called like the BBR? You gotta assume, right? But apparently they offered a Brembo BBS BBS. They offered it without the BB. Yeah. I’m not into the ND2 community, but I wish I was. Honestly, we all should be. I was just so impressed with it. It was just so good. So, ask Kevin. I’m sure I’ll let you drive. Oh, look at that one. Look at this one. This is like set up. That’s a nice car. Sold for $31,00. So, presumably knew it was not that much more than that. Yeah. Although now new kind. That is a cool car. Have you driven Did you drive an ND3? Uh, is there an ND3? There’s an ND3. This is like a newer Noo-Noo. Yeah. 2024. Oh, I got to get into an ND3. I haven’t driven a Miata in a long time, but I love it. I Every time I’m in one, I love it. Every time I’m in one, I absolutely love Look at that one. And if you have like, like you said, no ego. Like it is just Yeah. Like it’s a car that isn’t going to impress anybody except you. Yeah. You’re going to have a great time driving. Yeah. And and and if that’s if that’s all you’re looking for and then I respect that because like I need to impress people at my core. Filippo needs people to hear his exhaust with his little 500 A. It’s the worst part of the 500. Yep. The worst part. Meanwhile, he revs everywhere he go. There’s no other way to drive. It’s the worst part. Not the trim that’s falling off of it. I have no trim falling off except for the side. We need to move on to the questions. The questions are brought to you by Cars and Bids because we didn’t do the market report today. We’re doing the questions brought to you by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids is the finest website on the internet. It is. I agree. It is the best place in the world. one of the two things we agree on where you can sell buy exist with cars. Yeah. Exist. Anyway, if you want to ask us questions, go to carsmiz.com. Click on the community tab. There is a post right now about how Filippo is going to be at Petit Lama in Atlanta, folks. Look that up. It’s in October. Filippo is going to be there. Kenan’s going to be there. You can see the two of them see us talking about race cars. You can probably me talking about race cars. You can probably touch them if you ask with with permission only. Okay. First question today from Tangle92. Tangle92, the GTD is impressive. Still, it seems like you could buy a GT350R, make a handful of modifications, and get 80% of the experience for 20% of the cost. Do you agree? And what vehicles would fit that same 8020 rule for the Ford GT, the Career GT, and the Countach? I do agree, but I think that when this question is asked, what it is missing, and this question is gets asked a lot. Why should I buy a whatever when I could just get a whatever and mod it and and be right there? Like why should I spend the money for a Cayman GT4 RS when a regular Cayman GTS I could do a couple mods and the racetrack the times are the same. The thing is like the rarity and the specialness of the vehicle as a whole plays into what makes it special and desirable. And so yeah, you could do that but you at every Cars & Coffee you’ll be like it’s a GT350R but I did this this and this and I swear it’s just as fast. Whereas like you show up at the GTD and there’s like a level of specialness that comes with that car because there is the as much as enthusiasts who drive a lot and just want to be drivers don’t like to admit to themselves the rarity factor, the cost, the the the the unusualness of the car goes into part of what makes it cool. Absolutely. And further going along that point, the reason why the other ones are valued more is because you get in it, you turn the key, you go. It’s comes with a warranty. It’s well made. You don’t have to worry about like, oh, I had to let the car idle for another 30 seconds so that I could make sure it got enough coolant through it so it wouldn’t overheat. Like, you don’t have to. There are no exceptions. It just works. And that’s kind of the appeal to that. And yeah, go ahead. Sorry. Yeah. Well, and and like you said, like yes, there’s a purity to modifying stuff like and making it your own and there’s like you’re then invested in it. But like the Top Gear Cool Wall once said, if you have to explain it, that’s when it starts to lose its coolness to someone else. Right. So, and a lot of people do. I get approached at Cars & Coffee all the time. I have this, but I did this, this, and this. now it’s just as fast as a whatever and it’s like yeah yeah but it isn’t like the fact that you’re still trying to make that justification is an expl and and and I we should all hate to admit that like the rarity the value the like coolness that like plays into it but it does it just does I’ll looking at it from a slightly different perspective uh you can make a car what you need it to be probably more effectively than the automaker can because the automaker is trying to make a car that for some purpose if you are trying to make the fastest possible Mustang on the circuit local to your house that might not be a GTD and you can recreate that separately, but you’re not going to be able to recreate the GTD with the suspension setup that it has with everything else that it has yourself for less money and different which is a suspension area, right? You shouldn’t try to recreate it. You should create if you’re trying to create something that is the best version for you, go ahead and do that. But then don’t say it’s just as good as what I will add also from a market perspective. It’s like your is worth something. It’s like you put all this money in. Maybe they are worth you’ve spent the same, but there’s one that’s worth what it is and one worth. The market feels and that’s and that plays back into the specialness. The fact that the automaker made it like the coolness of it is part of it. The question is, are there vehicles that would fit the same 8020 rule for the 42 G2? I have no for you. Yes. There’s Well, Porsche tried this. Harry Metaf did a video on it recently. The 997 GT2 RS is the most powerful. It was the most powerful manual transmission Porsche ever made. More than the Courier GT. It’s faster than the Courier GT. Which one is more desirable? It’s the Carrera GT. GT2 RS is really cool. It’s really cool, but the Carrera GT is more special. It’s like Porsche effectively modified a 911 themselves and you know it’s not as it’s not a Carrera GT. Um GT2 RS has 620 horsepower and you have 612 I believe or 62 or No, you have a 607. 607. Yeah, that’s a lot. Yeah. And manual transmission, rear wheel drive. Uh there are a lot of cars. I think honestly a Boxster Spider gets a lot of the way there and you could do a few more mods and get there and the Countach is harder because I think the appearance of the car is a big component of the Fieras Countach. Yeah, I guess. Yes, that that one. Um, talk about a car you’d have to explain. Yeah. Or don’t if you do it well enough. Look at that low body looking thing. All right, I’m going to upset some people with my answer to the next question. Are you ready? You ready for a little obsession? Yeah. Oh, wow. He’s looking at the question of myself. from CX9er. We know that Toyota has the best enthusiast lineup right now despite public perception that Toyota is a boring brand. By the way, I don’t entirely agree with that. I think Toyota had that perception, but has mainly shed that perception over the last 10 years by making cool off-roaders. Like if at least here in the West in in Colorado, where I’m from, Utah, the Cal, California, like you say Toyota, you’re talking about Toyota trucks that like do stuff. It’s less solidity. Yeah. Plus the Camry is grounded to their ground. What brand is the opposite? as in they have a reputation for being exciting or fun, but actually they have a boring lineup of cars. Mazda. Mazda. I really thought you say BMW and I would support either answer. BMW. I’m down for either. BMW makes some exciting cars. They make mostly lease specials. BMW makes some pretty cool stuff. They do. Manual transmission is manual M3. M3 is cool. BMW BMW M. Absolutely. BMW I would submit is actually making more fun cars than almost the fact that they’re still doing sticks. The M2 is still out with the sticks, six cylinders. The Z4 is still a stick. The M5 is fast regardless of the fact that people hate how big it is. It’s got that great M2 and the ND3 Miata, the car we just decided was the best car in the world. Uh that that one and that individual car has given Mazda this perception of sportiness. Have you ever driven a CX-50? Have you ever driven a CX-5? They just drive like cars and they’ve convinced the enthusiasts and also journalists that their cars are somehow like really sporty. The CX90 is just a big crossover. It’s incredible branding. They’ve done an incredible job with it of convincing people that they’re like an enthusiast brand on the backs of the wonderful admittedly MX5 Miata. Yeah. Here’s the thing. All right. The the Miata lineup has Oh, wow. An even Wow. I’m affected by terrorists. How many cars does does Mazda sell? Five model lines. Uh there’s CX90, there’s CX50, there’s CX-5 for some reason. But there is still also the CX30 and there’s a CX70, but we’re calling that a CX90. Like these are these cars are not enthusiast cars. That does not drive enthusiast. That does not drive enthusiast, but they have kind of tried to convince people they do. These are a little my point is going to be if a fifth of the of the of the lineup for Maza or a sixth of the lineup for Maza is sporty is BMW is more than a six of the BMW lineup sporty. I think the fact that BMW is still willing to commit to several products in the sporty realm says a lot but making all these crossovers and trying to call them sporty agree with your take fully. Honda also on my list of not really making anything. Yeah, Honda’s got like a perception of being sporty, but at the moment they don’t make a single enjoyable car. Civic Type R and Civic SI is cool. That’s like it. Yikes. That’s like it. Go to vehicles here. I mean, there’s no Odyssey R, dude. There’s an Odyssey R. Odyssey R. Truly Honda is considered, I think, for many people the the fuel cell CRV. CRV EFCV. There’s what fuel cell CRV. I didn’t know that. And if I don’t know that, yikes. Uh where where do they sell that? Presumably only California. Uh if if I feel like Honda is known as the enthusiast Toyota. I don’t know that that’s fair anymore. Anymore? Yeah. Okay. Next question from Kyle A. If the US and EU recognize each other’s vehicle regulations and immediately all EU cars become available for sale in the US, which car would you be most interested in buying and which would and would you seriously consider purchasing? M3 Touring 508. Very high on the list. Uh, I like the I guess it probably could come here. The Renault Turbo like the little EV thing that they did. I think that’s really cool. I saw a bunch of those New York. You buy an EV. You I’ve said that the R3 is like You saw a Renault Turbo 5 EV and you didn’t send it to me. I sent Yeah, I sent it to all of the group. The new Turbo 5 thing they’re doing. I sent I saw a bunch of them. I sent you one the first day I was there. You need to pay attention. M3 Touring. M3 Touring is at the top of the list. I don’t think Pujo like ultimately even if the regs are equalized. That’s not what the question was. They don’t have a dealer network. Like they’re not going to sell that. But I there’s a bunch of station wagons that I think are truly beautiful and I would buy a plug-in hybrid manual station wagon and through touring. No, not that’s the answer. I can’t even think of any other Euro cars that are not sold in the US that are even slightly desirable. You guys have He mentioned a boring station wagon. You mentioned some sort of electric car. Are you familiar with the Rena 5 EV? Yeah, it looks cool. Is it even on sale? He claims it is, but it is. It is. I saw Yeah. Our friends at Throttle Housers had a review with this do Oh, well, he rejected cookies. He rejected cookies. Sorry, Renault. UK cookies. Look at that. Look how cool it is. I mean, to be clear, the wide fender 3E version, they’re building like a few, but the regular one is But the regular one is around. I don’t know. I saw it on the streets of uh It does look cool. Oh, what a cool animation. M3 Touring is the answer to this question. No, there’s a lot of cars that I think are way more interesting. That does it apply to used cars? Cuz if it does, that Audi S1 Quattro that I really want, I would get one of those. Remember that? I do remember that. This I saw lots of those. That’s a cool little EV. I wouldn’t I wouldn’t want one to be honest, but that’s cool. But I Yeah, but if you have to pick the M3 Touring is you have to pick. Uh, okay. Next question. This is a really good one from Shelby 186. Question for all. What is the dream spec for each of the cars that you currently own? See if I can find Luke’s car real quick. Let’s talk among yourselves. Uh, for me, I still sometimes wish I had a yellow car GT. Hate to admit it. But second dream spec is silver brown, which I have. Countach I’m cool with. Um although I like every Countach color. I see Countaches in weird color is a good color for me. White’s cool. I wish I had a little bit more color in my garage. Uh but I like them all. I like them all. Like if it had been any color, I would have accepted it. Forging T. Uh I still want white. White blue. I have blue. White. I want white blue. But I don’t really care that much. It’s not that big of a deal. Your station wagon not being white white would be station wagon. Wish I didn’t have a white interior but needed a cool seat. Hard to find. Sequoa have cool. You don’t have massage. I regret sometimes not getting orange. You should. I regret. It was hard to find. It was hard enough to find any color though. So embarrassing. It’d be embarrassing. I mean, it is embarrassing, but it be it would be even more embarrassing. Uh, that’s Those are all my cars. I think the Gwagon is the spec I want. What’s your M5? Luke’s. My friend Luke has the right one. He has a 2000 E39 M5. Avis blue with the uh two-tone full leather sport interior, which was only offered in 2000. You’re a silver car guy, though. Yeah, but it looks so good in blue. Like blue is look at I mean BMW makes the nicest blues. When I was a kid lying on internet forums, this is the car that I wanted to lie about but didn’t think I was legit enough. Yeah, it’s just it’s so lovely. I will say dark colors you do lose some of the definition of like the way it looks like. Well, this is a darkened picture. I think I’ve seen in but but in Yeah, it’s a blue is Are there any estosterills? There are some blue. Um the UK got a lot of very interesting E395. I’ve been a store E395. E395. Uh there are a handful. Wow, that looks good. There was one that came to the United States that lives in Georgia, I believe. It’s kind of too light a blue. Oh, I love that. Go back. Go back to other Show me that. Oh, the black girls are not good, but other than that, it does look nice. Wow. That uh messing metallic is another sell for this car. Wow. Yeah. Uh is a very interesting color. There’s they some really cool colors. Looks like a mess indeed. Filipo, what about you? Uh, you’ve got a brown your brown. I love the spec on my station wagon is for an S212. Exceptional. It’s like the highest spec one I’ve ever seen. I love the brown. I’m into the color. Uh, I could do without the brown black interior to be honest. Uh, don’t love the interior color that much. Uh, my Fiat I think white with white wheels. White with white wheels is the best. Objectively the best Abarth look. I saw one drive by the office the other day. The person had cleaned the wheels in years. They’re just brown. Yeah, that that’s that would be true for mine, too. Black does hide that. They’ve all gotten to that point now. Every time I see one, the white wheels have like faded and it wasn’t the paint comes off the wheels. Yeah. Issue. Oh, yeah. Uh for the GTI, I I don’t really care. Right. I It’s It’s a car I own. I wanted the the plastic. No, I love the The car is so good and my wife loves it. It’s so good you don’t care. It’s like a phone. It kind of is so good I don’t care. Uh, okay. Two, two, maybe three more questions. There’s so many good ones. There’s so many good ones from Bubble Booty. Bubble Buddy. Are there cars where you wouldn’t buy the manual even if it were optional? You know, this is a topic we have sometimes cuz I still feel that the CLK 63 Black Series, the manual swap that got so much press is like kind of a let down. I haven’t driven it, but I’ve driven that manual in other cars and it sucks. And that car wasn’t really designed to be a manual. Like ultimately, like it’s it’s kind of a bigger car. It’s kind of a muscle car, like intended to be like like, you know, not like precision driven. I think when Derek Tam Scott converts his next one, he should send it down so you can drive it. I’m curious myself and we’ll see cuz I’d like to see that. Nothing like driving a C240 manual. A bad manual can really kill a car. If you if you import an Audi A2, as an example, and and you’re all excited and then you get in the clutches really vague. Yeah, of course. But what do you expect? Okay, the the fundamental reality is that for most like we all say it’s so great that Europe had manuals for so long. They the goal was to make them as easy and and uninteresting to drive as possible and they are. At the same time, I personally don’t mind that. I still find it somewhat enjoyable to have something to do. It’s like I recognize that it’s a worse vehicle. I would rather have a dual clutch in an Audi A2. I’ll tell you that. In a in a hypothetical Audi A2. You did this though. I want to be clear, not a real one. I don’t have any real ones. You did this. You bought the auto as opposed to the manual. But that’s because it was more desirable. Not No, he bought it cuz that’s how he wanted to use it, which is why it’s more desirable. I have zero regrets about that decision. Driving a steak in this car is not fun. No, it’s like there are some cars that where it just diminishes the fun. Basically, all trucks. I don’t hate to admit it. Takomaomas I prefer on auto. Oh, it’s breaks more often. Well, maybe so, but I don’t think that that I I think it’s fair to say that it’s objectively worse that the manual is not additive and it’s subtractive in some ways. There’s something still enjoyable about that. I enjoy having to do with my hands, but I agree that it’s not a better view. There are a lot of cars where I don’t think I really don’t think it improves the experience. The Camry, the last Camry that was available with a stick, the like rounded 07 to 11, that was available with a stick. It can’t have been good. Yeah. But it’s kind of nice to have. I I I’m supportive even though I recognize that it’s not a better vehicle. Lincoln LS. I wonder if that’s another drive. Also, I on cars like that I drive sex incredibly efficiently and I can outperform the the like the automatic version and so that has value add. Uh okay, one to two more questions. One to two more questions. Hey Doug, you mentioned quite often how you like to enjoy your cars and put miles on them unlike most people. At the same time, most people don’t take their cars on the racetrack, uh, where they may have been designed for. How often do you take your cars on the track and do you find it terrifying? We We went to the track. We did that. Pull up that video. I went with Kenan. Kennon drove Z3 track and Kenan barely beat the Aclass. That’s true. But I did. We did that track day and it was lovely. And uh, and I would argue that I am therefore a track enthusiast. No, I don’t take him on the track ever. And uh, it it it does terrify me. The cars are simply too valuable. Uh, and this track day is actually a good indication of what would happen if you and your friends went to the track. The one who has a good car that is not incredibly expensive will be the fastest. Like, we’re all afraid. Nick skipping spinning the Mercy was a scary situation. We were I was afraid to push the Carrer GT too hard. Um, God, look at that. That’s like so sketch. I’ll never I’ll never forget that. The one place the like he spun it. He could anywhere would have been fine, but he chose near the wall. This track is famous for his runoff, right? Cuz he went, “Watch this.” Yeah. He was trying to beat my time because I had beaten him in the Anyway, the point is I’ve taken on the track, but they scare me on the track because of just how valuable they are. Uh and and it really really legitimately is scary. Um don’t you guys agree? Yeah, I for my own car like I was having some braking issues that day, which is what made it kind of scary. But yeah, I I just the car just means too much to me and like on a track it’s like it’s just not a Yeah, it it was cool. The pictures from it are awesome. I’m probably good driving that car on a track ever again. Final question from Ultra Tech 66. I imagine all of you are constantly asked for recommendations for car recommendations for friends and family. Do you have any recommendations you’ve made that you now regret? I now have come up with an idea on how to recommend cars to people. I kind of see what they what they want and then I say, “Yeah, get that.” I don’t have any regrets, but I usually take a very listening approach, too. Filipo’s car recommendations are some of the most insane. I was on a thread one time and it was just like, “So, my were exceptional.” Like, he just like comes up with the most like unusually specific, infantismally different, like not rational. Like if you go right now to your dealer, there are three plug-in hybrid versions of this car, aged inventory that you can lease for 247 a month. I give great. It’s like I’m and I’m like the same person. I’m like get a CRV. I give I give good the issue that the advice that I give is very like to go to do it well. I need a lot of information and I need their feedback cuz I want to tailor it to what they’re like. The answer for car recognitions is always get a CRV. Yeah. I mean, what ends up happening is I send them a very long email cuz they’re like, “Hey, how do you feel about these things? I need I need input on this and then they go out and buy a CRV and that’s fine.” I generally try to get what people are interested in, get what they’re already going down that path, and then I tell them either yes or no. I don’t usually make cold recommendations. Oh, yeah. For sure. You need information. I am also often surprised when I make car recommendations how people are willing to change what their criteria is when they end up buying the car. I had one the other day, a three row family SUV, hybrid, maybe plug-in hybrid. And I said Telleluride, Palisade, you know, Highlander. What? Explore. Tellide’s not available with the hybrid. Okay. Well, yeah, but may they said non-hybrid or maybe hybrid. That’s what it was. Not you got you got to lead them to where they need to be. They end up with an EV9. And I’m like, but I electric hadn’t been mentioned to me. Well, they showed up and the dealer was offered EV9s for like 37 cents a year. So it’s, you know, I mean, fair. People often massively shift from what they thought they wanted. Yeah. Constantly. And that’s one of the reasons why I just tell them get what they’re already kind of going down the road. Should have asked. You should not only about sports cars and exotic cars. Uh, you never have friends from Ohio being like, “Hey, Ken, I’m trying to get a Taurus, but they don’t sell it anymore. Shucks.” Faith did actually. Yeah, cuz it was exactly That’s what it was with her platinum edition. Uh, did she get an Outback? You know, she hasn’t replaced it, so I don’t know when she’s She got a Fusion. Yeah. Titanium. Yeah. Whoa. I know. That’s what energy or No, I don’t think so. With energy with an eye, to be clear. You know what I was behind today? Brand new accord templates. But the the one I do regret. They They’re for sale. They’re everywhere. That match. Some of them are on templates. Yeah. The one I do regret was Blake, our co-founder and friend, asked us what exotic car he should get. I recommended an F430, bought an F430, drove it, and then had to spend $30,000 in maintenance to get it to function, which was not my fault, but I recommended that one cuz it seems Oh, well, that is your fault, right? But he insists that No, it wasn’t your fault. So he’s he’s cool with it, I guess. But that I felt bad because it cost truly though my big my big tactic now truly is to generally Oh, so what have you already looked at? Oh, you like that? Oh, yeah. Well, that’s a good car. The the biggest you end up giving is have you gone to look at any of them? Have you sat in any of them? And the answer is always no. Okay, well we’ll go do that. Right. That that’s where you start. And uh when you see people going down a direction, I try to either validate or not. If someone’s going down a bad direction, if someone’s got Mitsubishi Outlander in their mind, wait, great car. Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross. I will say I did one regret. I did validate a friend’s decision to buy a Lucid Air. Um, which I think that it was an early one and I think that that’s an amazing car. It was glitchy and I think that that’s the type of car that should probably at least at that time maybe still should probably be purchased by someone who is a tech forward and recognizes that they’re kind of a test driver at least at the time. Yeah. And that person was looking for a reliable family transport sort of thing and uh you know I I that probably wasn’t the right call and that car ended up getting bought back. Yikes. Uh anyway, that’s our pot. You got anything else? Boxster Spider related conversations. Do you have any thoughts on the Audi A2? I haven’t driven it yet. It What it? There’s no Audi A2 here. There’s no Audi A2 here for God’s sake. I’ve never driven one. You’ve never driven one? Never driven an A2. Certainly not in a truck one once. I My father did run into the back one. Certainly not. I’ve never been in an A2. You’ve never been in an A2? Yeah. I wish we could change that for you, but we can’t. All right, we’re done here. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye. 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