Buying Valley companys to sort out software issues is crazy expensive. Much much better return on investment would be VW looking around europe for delivery.
archetype-am
I can’t say I’m particularly sympathetic. I’ve owned three new Audis since 2019 and the software is **always** the weakest point in an otherwise great package by far. It’s nothing particularly egregious, but it’s slow, laggy, and there are a handful of extremely annoying bugs that I’ve been dealing with for half a decade now. And it all just *looks* dated at this point. This kind of thing shouldn’t be acceptable.
I’ve largely lost interest in my Tesla but still consider their software experience and execution the high water mark for modern cars. Either match Tesla’s level or stick to a more analog-style experience. There’s no room for awkward middle-ground solutions like Audi’s current offering.
Alexandratta
Crappy Software company now scared that a real software dev team with a decent track record in an Automotive field may take their best customer because of their lackluster and noncompetitive offerings….
Sucks to Suck, Cariad?
Oh, wait… German Company.
Oh Nein! Schade….
Ravingraven21
It’s the best hope for VW. I hope they get their act together.
Maximilianne
IDK, VW invested in XPeng a long time ago and we still haven’t really seem any VW/XPeng cars (or even news about it) yet even though they did explicitly say one was coming. So I won’t get too excited about getting a Rivian OS on your VW anytime soon
BedditTedditReddit
“We are finally being held accountable for our shit software and capacitive button dumb choices, how dare they!”
Schadenfreude.
Lopsided_Quarter_931
there is nothing saying this is guaranteed to work. But if this fails dunno what VW’s options are..
JRLDH
It’s a cultural thing. SW development is treated as a total grunt task that can be done by contractors based on a specification package.
While Rivian and Tesla employ in house developers, German (or more generally European) companies employ SW Architects and Systems Engineers who write elaborate SW Stack documents and APIs but the actual coding task is often outsourced and the resulting product is a hodgepodge that few engineers at eg. Cariad can actually optimize or debug.
Just check how little SW engineers who actually can program are paid in Europe. It’s just not a highly regarded profession over there and something one learns as a teenager at a coding bootcamp.
Specialist-Routine86
Imagine having 6k people and 12 billion spent on the software the is VWs 😂😂
evilgrinz
The software on my ID4 is not the best, car works great, but the software restarts and the bugginess always make me nervous.
RobDickinson
Cariad was Deiss’s baby not the current CEO’s
FlugMe
Why try and reinvent the wheel? Slap android automotive in there with a skin and a decent SoC and be done with it.
It really doesn’t feel like the rivian deal will work, not without a change in hardware strategy as well. Simplify the number of hw targets for your software and choose parts with decent performance characteristics.
I kinda wish this meant vw might actually add one pedal driving to their cars, but thats wishful thinking.
krichard-21
Forty plus years in IT background.
Meshing different software products is fun!
Said no one ever!
Seriously, it’s normally a living hell. Pick one as the dominant product and splice in the enhancements where they make sense. FYI, this is much easier to say than actually implement.
Percolator2020
Buying an essentially unproven company with a totally different platform to fix your home problems sounds like the bean counters trying to be software engineers. By the way they already tried this with Argo, and Cariad and a bunch of other failed ideas.
chumlySparkFire
I will never buy a German car. Headaches and parts prices are prohibitively high.
citrixn00b
As someone who works in the SDE side of things, it’s always funny when those in suits trivialize the work, knowledge and sheer talent it takes to design a cohesive piece of software and bring them to market.
It is really one of those things where you can literally throw a shitload of money at it and still get nothing in return. You don’t have to look far than the Apple car saga as an example.
Ampster16
We are definitely in a transition if software development at an automaker is delaying things.
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Paywall
Buying Valley companys to sort out software issues is crazy expensive. Much much better return on investment would be VW looking around europe for delivery.
I can’t say I’m particularly sympathetic. I’ve owned three new Audis since 2019 and the software is **always** the weakest point in an otherwise great package by far. It’s nothing particularly egregious, but it’s slow, laggy, and there are a handful of extremely annoying bugs that I’ve been dealing with for half a decade now. And it all just *looks* dated at this point. This kind of thing shouldn’t be acceptable.
I’ve largely lost interest in my Tesla but still consider their software experience and execution the high water mark for modern cars. Either match Tesla’s level or stick to a more analog-style experience. There’s no room for awkward middle-ground solutions like Audi’s current offering.
Crappy Software company now scared that a real software dev team with a decent track record in an Automotive field may take their best customer because of their lackluster and noncompetitive offerings….
Sucks to Suck, Cariad?
Oh, wait… German Company.
Oh Nein! Schade….
It’s the best hope for VW. I hope they get their act together.
IDK, VW invested in XPeng a long time ago and we still haven’t really seem any VW/XPeng cars (or even news about it) yet even though they did explicitly say one was coming. So I won’t get too excited about getting a Rivian OS on your VW anytime soon
“We are finally being held accountable for our shit software and capacitive button dumb choices, how dare they!”
Schadenfreude.
there is nothing saying this is guaranteed to work. But if this fails dunno what VW’s options are..
It’s a cultural thing. SW development is treated as a total grunt task that can be done by contractors based on a specification package.
While Rivian and Tesla employ in house developers, German (or more generally European) companies employ SW Architects and Systems Engineers who write elaborate SW Stack documents and APIs but the actual coding task is often outsourced and the resulting product is a hodgepodge that few engineers at eg. Cariad can actually optimize or debug.
Just check how little SW engineers who actually can program are paid in Europe. It’s just not a highly regarded profession over there and something one learns as a teenager at a coding bootcamp.
Imagine having 6k people and 12 billion spent on the software the is VWs 😂😂
The software on my ID4 is not the best, car works great, but the software restarts and the bugginess always make me nervous.
Cariad was Deiss’s baby not the current CEO’s
Why try and reinvent the wheel? Slap android automotive in there with a skin and a decent SoC and be done with it.
It really doesn’t feel like the rivian deal will work, not without a change in hardware strategy as well. Simplify the number of hw targets for your software and choose parts with decent performance characteristics.
I kinda wish this meant vw might actually add one pedal driving to their cars, but thats wishful thinking.
Forty plus years in IT background.
Meshing different software products is fun!
Said no one ever!
Seriously, it’s normally a living hell. Pick one as the dominant product and splice in the enhancements where they make sense.
FYI, this is much easier to say than actually implement.
Buying an essentially unproven company with a totally different platform to fix your home problems sounds like the bean counters trying to be software engineers. By the way they already tried this with Argo, and Cariad and a bunch of other failed ideas.
I will never buy a German car. Headaches and parts prices are prohibitively high.
As someone who works in the SDE side of things, it’s always funny when those in suits trivialize the work, knowledge and sheer talent it takes to design a cohesive piece of software and bring them to market.
It is really one of those things where you can literally throw a shitload of money at it and still get nothing in return. You don’t have to look far than the Apple car saga as an example.
We are definitely in a transition if software development at an automaker is delaying things.