Raptee T30 2025 first ride review | #MotorIncFirst S03E49

Raptee T30 2025 first ride review | #MotorIncFirst S03E49

[Music] Hello and welcome to Motoring First. Chumi has been out to ride an electric two-wheeler from a startup which must mean Bengaluru, right? Not this time. Oh, this time I ran it out of battery and glitched it outside the Chennai airport. All right, at least surprise number one has come away. It was Chennai. Okay. What are we talking about? We’re talking about a vehicle that I variously referred to as the Rapi. It’s Rapi like a Veloci Raptor. Okay. Because the founder who did most of the talking, DH, he said he’s into dinosaurs and he has had a previous company which is also named after some dino something or the other. Okay. So, it’s the Rapi T30. It’s a dinosaur based vehicle which is not running on dinosaur juice. All right. That’s the first thing that I thought of exactly as a way to hang on a minute. Yeah. Are they building a non-dinosaur juice vehicle named after a dinosaur? How cute. So, Rapi Rapi Rapi Rapi is uh the name of the company. Yes. Not the product that you No, the product is the T30. Okay. And it has a second variant called the T30S where the tail unit is mounted on the swinger mounted configuration instead. No other difference. That’s it. As in you can have both choices. So, there are some color differences between the two variants, but they’re basically the same bike. Everything is the same. If you wanted the traditional tail with the tail light and the extender, you can have that, which is what we rode. Or you can have the other one where the tail is like a bob tail and then the swing arm has the tail light and everything mounted on. Okay. Uh, interesting. Yeah, I don’t even have pictures of the other one. So, so where do we start with this one? Um, there’s a lot of ground to cover here on the motor side. So, let’s get the chassis out of the way first. Okay. Okay. One of the inspirations for the chassis designer was the Dominar 400. Don’t laugh. And very cutely enough, the moment he said that, he says, “And I know how you feel about the Dominar, but it’s the bike I had.” Okay. So, uh the Power Cruiser as a starting point for this motorcycle is odd, but to Rap’s credit, despite the fairing and everything, you you should have already seen a picture. Karthik has seen pictures. Despite all the fairing and everything, they are not anywhere close to going to calling it a sports bike. They’re saying scooters commute and scooters do a certain kind of job. The motorcycle electric has been missing in action and they’re hoping to plug that gap. Okay, for price reference, this is priced at 2.4 lakh rupees which puts it in the 400 cc motorcycle zone, the bottom of it as it were. And that puts it roughly I’m going to say between 40 and 60,000 kilome rupees odd below the ultraviolets which is the only other electric motorcycle. I was actually going to ask you that because the statement that you conveyed of there saying that there’s a gap by way of motorcycles which ultraviolet is sitting plum in right plum is a very strong word because for all of the stuff that ultraviolet does well and for all the things that they do not they only sell like 150 units a month at the best of so if you look at the size of the scooter market the size of the motorcycle market and even the size of the premium IC motorcycle market ultraviolet has not made a significant dent that’s fine I think that is also a function of motorcycles and electric motorcycles to me electric motorcycles are still an abstraction. Correct. So that way uh what I meant by that was that ultraviolet has not only come with an offering they they’re trying to widen their offering. So there somebody’s doing something in that space for motorcycles and in the premium space. So are they differentiating themselves from that space by saying they’re more massi? Is that Yeah, for sure. And they’re also being smart about the fact that they are not setting an expectation by saying we have a electric sports bike because that sets my dynamics expectations really high. M and I said if ultraviolet were to just go to a more natural handlebar instead of a click on just stop calling it a sports bike the bike would improve. So they did something called the super street which is that bike with a normal handlebar. Everybody came back and said that felt better. Then they did something called the X47 which is like a ADV styled sort of motorcycle but what it gives you is an upright riding position. Everybody who wrote the upright riding position immediately had a better time and to me it is just expectation management. Correct. And to me, the one thing that Rapi got right right off the bat is they said commuting is the primary goal of this motorcycle, which sets your dynamics and comfort agenda significantly lower than saying ADV, then it has to absorb lots of bad roads or sports bike, then it has to corner really well. No commuting. So on the chassis front, there’s no major magic happening here. It’s not some outrageously great handling motorcycle or an outrageously poor handling motorcycle. It’s okay. Uh the roads I rode uh on the outskirts of Chennai had lots of long sweeping corners where the bike is stable enough. It goes roughly where you point it. So there’s no absolute like oh that sh that does not work. No, you’re okay. And for the same reason the battery pack is a little bit smaller than ultraviolet. So the chassis has more space. So they’ve been able to use that to create a slightly more comfortable motorcycle. Amazing motorcycle. Again no the seat is terrible. But when I did make a mistake with the navigation uh we’ll discuss why the navigation mistake was made. When we made the mistake with the navigation, I went over the bridge instead of under it. That whole thing was under construction. So, I got to play with it in the dirt. And when I played with in dirt, I said, “Okay, it’s not the most uncomfortable thing I’ve ridden ever.” And because of the newness of it and the cool factor of it, maybe I’d be able to put up with whatever it does as right quality. Amazing. No. Effective. Yeah. Sort of. Okay. Um just to set context a little bit uh since we’re talking about the chassis and we’ve said that this is somewhere inspired from the Dominar in terms of its dimensions sort of sort of uh how do you sit on the bike? Uh sort of like your remember the RS 200 the comfortable sports bike riding position it’s sort of like that. Okay. Yeah. The only cookiness about it is because the battery pack is wide uh and they’ve scooped the tanks out uh the tank out your knees sort of go inwards but feet are out but the feet are out and that never produces a nice feeling. Uh in my case I’ve damage on both my knees accumulated. So to me if I were to ride this bike long enough I’d have aches and pains in my knees because my leg is effectively twisting out like that and that is not good for me. So my advice to them was if you can either narrow the foot pegs or widen the tank so that the leg is vertical it would make the motorcycle immediately feel more controllable. But the reason why they scooped the tanks inward is also to create the sense of a slightly smaller more controllable motorcycle because otherwise it can very easily become super wide and then like more like riding a hippopotamus than riding a horse. M okay. And once you’re on the bike, so you’re slight slightly lean forward. Lean forward and you’re do you feel that you’re sitting on top or a little further? No, not fully on top. Sort of halfway between in and out. Uhhuh. Because it feels like you’re slightly further back than you are slightly further back. And uh one of the things that I sort of uh concluded having ridden now the ultraviolet and the rapt is that when they’re building large battery packs and this is a 7 kilo battery pack. Ultraviolet is also 7 and 10. When you build these large battery packs, the most convenient form factor engineering wise is a suitcase effectively. And ironically, somebody came with a black suitcase with ribs on it. And when I saw the uh the battery pack on its own in the factory, my first reaction was, “Oh, that suitcase.” But the suitcase is convenient because it gives you the form factor. It’s a cuboid. But once the cuboid is made, it has lots of efficiency and safety and IP67 all the drama has happened. Now the chassis guy has one heavy dense mass that he has to place and that becomes super challenging. One of the challenges that you will hear with two wheelers especially motorcycles in electric is center of gravity is too low. In a car we say low is good and then when you go to crash this you realize that uh uh EV skateboards will flip other cars because the that car center of gravity is high the EVs is low. So, it basically goes under and flips the other car, right? On a motorcycle, stability can come from a low COG, which is what Harley-Davidsons do to you. And taking a large Harley-Davidson, making a U-turn and not feeling like you have to put your foot down is absolutely down to the low COG. But that’s also the reason why they don’t don’t turn so well. And you’ll constantly hear in Moto GP, for example, that the center of gravity was raised because when you raise the center of gravity, the motorcycle leans quicker. So when you get heavy motorcycles like this, this is 180 kilo motorcycle and because the battery pack is slightly smaller etc. It’s a little bit lighter than the ultraviolet right and to me don’t think of ultraviolet as a competitor more as a reference point for now. When you ride this motorcycle when you start to lean it feels like I’m doing a lot of work. When you go straight it feels like oh this is so easy. So therefore commuter low center of gravity doesn’t lean quite that naturally low. Yeah it’s okay. And I’m going to give you an example of this like this feeling because it was so new. It’s still stuck in my head like when we first rode the ultra wireless the F77 uh on the racetrack which was Chennai and it was strange in so many ways right because no gears uh you’re out on a racetrack sport bike all of that. And I remember around the track the strange feeling was when you’re picking the bike up like you’ve got it leaned over on this side and you’re picking it up. You start picking it up and when it comes to the top and you want to take it down to the other side. When it comes to the top here, that momentum just kind of fades away because that center of gravity is so low. You’ve pulled it up till here. It actually doesn’t have the momentum then to kind of give you that. So that fluidity that you’re used to. So it may feel quick in some ways, but it just feels strange and unnatural in other ways, right? So you can have that adjustability but not the smoothness that you that you’re used to. So, it’s a very strange kind of feeling and it is with EVs that will be a challenge for all the as the battery packs get larger. Yeah. And I’m getting through this as quickly as I can because the heart of the story is the electrics. It is not the frame. So, if you’re thinking of buying a Rap T30, you’re buying a competent commuter. Okay. Uh since you brought the buying part up, where all is it available? Chennai and Bengaluru will be the first showrooms. Chennai, I think, is open, company owned. It’s at the factory. We saw the dealership. And the Bengaluru one is either already open by the time you see this or will open shortly. Okay. And as usual, it’s an experience center and whatever. But and you said it was 2.4 lakhs. 2.4 lakhs X. So whatever the little taxation is, etc. We’ll add up on top of that. I’ll put up the exact prices. Uh because I’m not really going to go into the detail of the spec because the story is larger than that. Okay. Can we at least I think we need to know what is the horsepower something like that to set context. We come to the engine straight and once we come to the engine, we’ll only talk about the engine. uh spoke about buying it just feels like I don’t know. Huh? No, I’m just setting the what I think are the peripherals of the story out so that I can get to the heart of the story and the heart of the story is their power train. This is where their innovation lies. This is where the heart of the matter is and this is where the pros and cons of how electric motorcycles will happen also lie. So all the masala is there which is why I want to get all of this quickly done. So uh design uh it looks all right in the flesh. The bikes we saw were very early production so they were not super well finished. production the first pilot batch production. So the finalization of the tolerances has not happened yet. So you will notice a diagonal panel on the fairing which sort of starts points to the axle and then rises up to the seat. That panel gap it was veered on all the bikes for example the rapti badges. I’ll put in a close-up the close-up of the badge. You will see it looks almost handmade or poorly machined and those are all prototype badges and stuff. So uh there are elements in there that are super well done like the switch gear and the way it interacts with the menus. It’s awesome. Oh yeah, it’s awesome. But when you look at the bike, you see lots of plastic. And to me, my first thought when I saw that bike is like, why the hell are all the electric vehicle manufacturing referencing a 1990 CBR 10000? You remember the 1990 CBR 1000 had plastic that basically began at the front fender and wrapped around the motorcycle till the tail light. And you couldn’t see any moving parts on the motorcycle. Really? No, I don’t know this. I I I’ll show you a picture after this. You’ll immediately get it. They’ll be able to see a picture right now. And it was the time when car inspirations were happening to motorcycles and covering up the motorcycle was a thing. Oh, I know what you’re talking about. We are 25 years later and sports bikes are losing parts of the fairing and we able to see inside and the electrics both ultraviolet and this uh X47 being the exception. They both hide all the wiring because it’s ugly colored wiring. So they wrap it and Rapty said car was a big inspiration because one of them is XT Tesla or whatever. So fasteners are all hidden and all of that sort of happened. And to me that’s struck a poor chord in the sense of historically motorcycles designed by car designers, motorcycles inspired by car design just do not achieve the right proportion. So this is an oddlooking motorcycle because electrics are bulky today. But it is also odd because for example to hide all the fasteners, it’s a very smooth body shape in that sense. When you see the naked trellis frame which is underneath this, it’s just full of brackets like mounting brackets. So there was one trellis frame in teal green that was on display at the factory in my area and behind that was the parts supermarket where the assembly parts are all arriving from the suppliers or whatever. And that thing’s just like bracket bracket bracket bracket bracket bracket. I counted like 16 on one side cuz it’s all mounted internally and all of that. I can understand the approach because you’re not servicing them too often. So these body panels don’t really come off that bike very often, but at the same breath has a lot of bracketry going on. That’s a lot of brackets. Yeah. And these are just for mounting the frame. I mean mostly so there’s a lot of wiring to be rooted and stuff. So some of the brackets will be for those things. There’ll be a lot of electronic components on this also. Electric and electronic components. So the above it and some of it is just yeah to mount the fairing and not have the uh fasteners visible. And it does complicate things, right? If you remember, my Ducati 1200 had hidden fasteners everywhere and my V4 had a few exposed fasteners, but the difference in service time to get the body panels off, it was like night and day. And the 1200 because of the hidden fasteners, which is super complicated, right? So, there are pros and cons to it. So, if you want to go down the design route and say I want to hide all my fasteners, it can have other challenges also. Okay. Aside from the panels fit, uh generally the pound, the grips, the switches, how is all of that? The switches are actually one of the nicer parts of the bike. the way they feel, the what they do, the shortcuts that they built in, for example, for region and stuff, they all make sense and they explain it to you once and you just get it and you never think about it again. So, the interaction design for that is spot on. Awesome. Right. The screen is a pretty simple screen. Is it the greatest design? No. Is it super sophisticated and attractive? No. But does it show you clearly what’s going on? It’s great. And I will mention it here. We’ll discuss it more again. They have a little indicator which is blue which says the motor is cool. green. It is up to operating temp and it’ll turn orange and red depending on the heat. We will come back to that idea because uh that is a very very powerful part of this uh project. Nice. Okay. Right. So overall my first impression was large uh interesting but what I wanted to feel was premium and that this motorcycle did not do. So the T30 does not feel like a premium well-finished motorcycle. Okay. And there are some kooky stuff also because of the size of the battery pack. They have a uh aluminium subframe which sort of goes around the bottom of the fairing like this around which the foot pegs are mounted. Right? So think of it like an underline on the fairing as it rises past the swinger. That underline is aluminium. It’s structural foot pegs are mounted on it but it extrudes. So your heel is constantly sitting on one part of that thing. And on my machine as it would on my machine somebody’s boot had a screw on the inside of the heel. The old Alpen stars used to have it the SMX series. So that that has rubbed rubbed rubbed rubbed and taken the the the powder coat off. So somebody had touched it up. So one second I’m sorry I haven’t got that from the So the fairing is like this and then the foot peg mount is on a aluminium bar like this. That’s coming from the swing arm point and leading. Okay. If you want to go from back to front roughly above the swing arm on the fairing down to the front end of the thing and the two foot pegs are mounted here passenger and this. So the carrier is coming from behind like that. You’re approaching it from behind, but it’s basically mounted like that, right? And then it extrudes. So when you put your foot, your heel naturally goes and sits on top of the aluminium. Mhm. And the aluminium can’t take the abrasion in terms of uh the paint slowly goes away. So on my bike, whoever rode it, their shoe was the issue, not the person. But their shoes crew basically rubbed the aluminium off and it was launch time. So some poor guy had to take black paint and sort of hand paint it over. And when they parked it in the sunlight, my eye went straight to why is that paint here? So aluminium painted, huh? Uh, anodized. But on my bike, the the prototype I was riding, it got rubbed out by somebody’s shoe. So they had to go and fix it. As soon as they fix it, the finish isn’t even anymore. So immediately my eye goes there and saying, “Hey, what the hell is this?” The problem is not the finish. The problem is the foot peg is inside and the aluminium then comes comes further outside. So you don’t have a choice. Your shoe will go on the aluminum. Okay, cool. Yeah. So some cookie design overall this cookie. Yeah. The interesting thing about the Rapi and what they are going to lead the story with is carl like charging. So the charge port is basically just above your crotch with a click uh with a flap which clicks into places at pressure. Uh I did obviously manage to sit too far front the first time and get it to open. Not a problem. Didn’t happen again. And it takes a CCS2 gun. So the charger is on board already. That’s a 3.3 kW charger. Uh just for reference, if you were to buy an ultraviolet, you would get a 1 something kW charger as standard and you’d buy the boost charger, which is also 3.3 kW. So a compact 3.3 charger is on board the motorcycle anywhere. So what you’re going to get to carry with you if you wanted to charge anywhere is a plug point wire and gun. What they’re basically saying is this is your backup system. Because it is CCS2, you can just go to any car charging station and charge the machine. If you were to do that, it can draw up to 7 kow. Okay, again for reference, Ultraviolet’s proprietary fast charge network is 12 kW. So they won’t let you access all the car chargers unless you buy their adapter plug, which Ultraviolet now sells. If you were to do that, 12 kow is the highest you can get to. I think they call it the supernova charger or whatever. This thing will always charge at 7 kW if you go to a car charger. to demonstrate this at the factory they had a BE6 charging and then they unplugged the B6 did the billing willing whatever and then they plugged in the motorcycle and the motorcycle started to charge I’m taking out the iPad because now we will need the numbers okay so for the charging thing um you will basically take 60 minutes on the standard charger to get from 20 to 80 okay that’s just the wire and if you were to use a CCS2 you would do the same thing in 36 minutes. Okay. So in 36 minutes you would recover 20 to 80%. Your range numbers are uh the factory claimed ARI number is 200 and the real world number is 150. That’s the charging picture. So the first powerful uh convenience of this machine is the charger is onboard. So you only have to carry a wire if you must. And if you don’t carry a wire, you just find a car charging station with an empty slot. Plug your motorcycle in and you can charge there. To enable CCS2 charging like this natively, they actually went with a 240 volt architecture, which is the first really really big deal about this machine. Just for reference, most of our vehicles run between 48 to 60 maybe 90 volts. Nothing runs higher than this. And they are saying this is one of the biggest assets. And the logic for this is uh voltage. If you raise then the amount of current for the same amount of power falls a lot. Creating lower current outputs means less heat less transmission losses etc etc is the more efficient it’s more efficient right and by Jules’s law the less current you use the less heat you have to deal with because the heat production also falls. So what they’re basically saying is when we go to 240 volts then all of these systems just become a heck of a lot more efficient. And that’s to me half the story. But the demonstration of the story is absolutely emphatic. So I rode this motorcycle basically down to when it glitched. Okay. When it glitched, I was 1.7 km or something from the office and the machine was showing 4 km of range and it glitched and died. And they later debugged the glitch and said, “We don’t know what happened. This is a completely new kind of glitch. So we’ve never encountered this before.” So in theory, I should have reached the hotel with 2 km of range left. I got stranded 1.7 km out. No stress. This entire run I could not get the motor to overheat. Okay. Most of the time it stays blue. So effectively just below great optimum temperature. And when I sat at the top speed like sort of like this. And I’m not using that footage because it’s on an empty road. I think I’m doing the safe thing, but I’m actually testing and therefore it will look illegal to you. So I’m not using that part of the footage. But I basically sat at 120ish like this on an empty road for a long stretch. I’m going to say like 14 15 18 km and rode hard everywhere else. Anyway, the best I could do on a reasonably warm Chennai morning was a green. Wow. Never saw orange, never saw red. Could not tell any duration at all until I hit 30% battery at which point some of your riding modes disappear and then another I think 5% or 8 10% later then it goes into effectively a limp home mode where you do have some amount of acceleration. it’ll hit about 65 km an hour flat out but it will not do this quickly. So I was returning back to the airport uh and on that stretch there are lots of bus stations and bus stops on the left and I really struggled there because the buses would basically cut across you and you don’t have enough acceleration to get out of their way very quickly. So either you have to quickly make a direction change or you have to really slow down let the bus do its thing then deal with the other two wheelers who are making direction changes and do have acceleration. That part got a little bit complicated but that was post low state of charge and what is that low state of charge 30 to 20% range uh SOC left. So the rest of the time it ran just as hard as far as I can tell from when I left the hotel with 100% charge at the 98% charge till the point where it said I have a cut off here below this we cannot do this until that point I could not see any significant change in performance I could not see the motor heating up solid wow that is that is really cool that is very impressive now so because before we move forward just for context cars most of the cars that we had uh have also So even now EVs that are running are in this 300 volt zone. There’s the higherend cars are looking at 800 volts, right? Which is like another massive step which will change again how you design your battery packs and the charging speeds and all of that. So 240 volts for a twoheer that’s uh yeah and the fastest most efficient machines you remember like the BYD or somebody said uh what,000 km on a charge and all of this those are all 1100 volts plus and the voltage is only rising now so this was the story that Rapi told us right because we went to high voltage architecture our heat management is awesome the need to manage heat is much lower performance outputs are far more stable blah blah blah and big deal I can go and charge anywhere I like so there are 30,000 cars charging stations today they are all rapy compatible as it were now this is half the story so I had to basically dig deeper into this high voltage thing so I spoke to people who I trust with this kind of information uh they both requested that they do not be quoted in the story so I’m not giving you a source of reference but this is not primary information this is what I’ve understood and what they said is first the high voltage advantage is real if you go to higher and higher voltages you do get these efficiencies there is absolutely no doubt about it but as is usual with brand new technologies. It’s not as direct a chain of consequence as you think. The biggest problem with higher voltages is higher voltages can cause arcs and arcs are extremely destructive. And I’m not just talking about the human being working on the machine. Arcs between two connectors for example will also ruin those connectors slowly over time and that could become a failure point. Right? When wires are carrying high voltage currents then they have electromagnetic interferences with each other which can also cause problems. I was given one example of somebody who has worked on high voltage and he said in the maintenance of a prototype one set of wires that was mounted a certain way was moved around and until it was moved back beyond a certain point that machine would basically die. It’ll die in the sense it going to fail safe and kill itself and say motion not possible and until somebody figured out that it was just the orientation that was causing a problem they couldn’t solve it because there was no diagnostic issue. Okay. So when you go to higher voltages these kind of challenges become huge. So the first challenge is there is a lot of electricity in the system now but the control electronics are still running 12 volts. So the switch between the 12vt system the 400vt system and I’m saying 400 because there is no 240 volt system. All the equipment being used on the per force is a 400vt equipment being run at 240. Above that would be a 600vt setup. Above that would be 800. And another issue that they would have faced and I’m happy that they solved it is you would get 400 volt components designed for cars that’s larger that’s heavier um heavier duty if you prefer and more expensive and therefore when you scale it down to a motorcycle getting people to manufacturing to your spec one challenge because you’re not a baj or a TV who can say listen we’re going to give you a huge order at the same time they will not have the facility to make those equipments at that scale and therefore it’s a complicated chain of consequence. So, Rapti does say that they had to build a lot of stuff. They had to design a lot of stuff for themselves. And in that sense, they call themselves the most vertically integrated electric vehicle manufacturer today, which if you think about it is exactly what Aether said at the start also because Aether had exactly the same issues at a much lower voltage architecture where when they arrived on the scene, those things weren’t available. In fact, somebody pointed out that the reason why a lot of automobiles run 12 volts today is because a lot of the equipment for 12 volts was already available because telecommunications runs on 12 volts. So the MOSFETs for example, which are small transistors in effect, those transistors in 12vt architecture already existed. So adapting them to current IC electronics was super simple and super easily available. But if you think about it, if those ICs were to say, “No, we’re going to run 72 volts.” the transistors do not exist and the makers of the transistors haven’t arrived on the scene yet. So who’s going to make them for you? That’s the challenge of this 240 volt thing which Rapi has done some amount of work solving for themselves. Okay. Now I’m just opening that part of the notes. Then similarly they say that every time a wire connects to another wire there is a potential for there to be electricity in the system and somebody starts to work on it during the manufacturing process etc. So the industrial safety standard for manufacturing and the safety standard for the person who’s going to work on this machine also become super super stringent because I I don’t I can’t see the exact formula here yet but uh it’s voltage into 2 * + 500 or something and for even higher voltages it is voltage plus 1,000 into something. So there’s a multiplication factor for what is the potential risk of shock. So if I remember my numbers correctly a 400vt system could give you a maximum of a 1200vt shock which is huge. But when you multiply the same thing with a 12 volt, it is not huge. Don’t hold me to the exact numbers. Okay, understand the concept. The mathematics is not mathematics. So when you’re building a 400 volt system, 240 volt system, that criticality of that function becomes super important. So when a RAPI comes into the service station, when they start doing the service, the voltages in the system must be discharged immediately for safety sake. That makes all of the connection points super super more critical and then that becomes more expensive etc. So the benefit of this extra current yes the complexity of the extra current massive I was given a very simple example okay when you have a 12vt wire it’s a small thin wire with some amount of insulation so you can route it any which way you want because a wire can be coiled when you scale that to a 240 volt wire then the aluminum foil which is a shielding becomes much thicker the insulation becomes much thicker and when you start to bend it first It has resistance to bending and then if you bend it too much then the foil breaks. If the foil breaks then the electromagnetic interference can spread from the wire and then you don’t know what the effects are going to be. And I was given another example of a prototype where an engineer while he was thinking was playing with the wire and when they connected it that thing won’t work and it had to be traced back to the fact saying there must be a shielding issue with this particular thing because there’s no way to cut into and if you cut into then you have to discard the wire and start again. So what Rapi has pulled off, no not pulled off, demonstrated is a very complicated system functioning well. Right to pros and cons, this motorcycle is a 20 kow motorcycle. That’s its uh peak performance. Uh and for reference, where is my reference? Yeah. And this is a 22 kW output motor. reference the lower the closer uh ultraviolet is at 27 closer ultraviolet what’s there are two power outputs in the ultraviolet one is sort of uh 30-ish and the other is 40ish or whatever so the closer reference point is 27 kW the top one is 30 okay and at that kind of reference point you get acceleration figures for example this is just over 3 seconds and both the ultraviolets are just under 3 seconds so that much uh performance difference is there top speed is also different this is about 140 km an hour I think and those are 155. Okay. So it’s in the ballpark but on the low side of all of this is where the performance goes and sits. Mhm. Right. And this is also a lighter motorcycle by about 20 kilos I think. So this is what the layout of this land is. But what two separate people told me is that you don’t really need such high voltages for these kind of power outputs. There are more future and potential gains. There is the heat management gain and there is definitely the charging network gain. But do you need this kind of architecture to make this much performance work? Not really. You would want to extract more from this platform. So if uh and obviously Rapy won’t discuss their next line of products, but if Rapi were to be building out even faster machines with larger battery packs etc. then them already having a 240 W uh architecture makes complete sense. And again to give you a reference point uh the F99 prototypes that was shown which was the so fast and such acceleration all that that’s because that is a 400 volt architecture based prototype whereas the ultraviolets run lower voltages right so this voltage thing is I’m going into so much detail about it is because when you hear stories about rapti you’re going to hear 240 volt charging everywhere and solves everything yes but it is a very complicated solution so it’s complication is more from the manufacturing and from the brand side so to speak so to manage the service centers the same process maintaining quality so that the vehicles dependability etc is not impacted so that will become critical for them to pull off but having said that given that this is something that is already taken care of in cars it should not be rocket science but whether they manage to pull it off or not is the question thank you for bringing that up somebody uh from the electric vehicle industry owned an electric vehicle which constantly was in trouble. I’m not naming the manufacturer because it doesn’t matter. When they compared its manufacturing at its country of origin versus the way it is assembled here, there was a substantial difference in the safety protocols. Okay. And if you have substantial difference in safety protocols, that means the precision with which for example high voltage wires are being rooted, it’s not exactly the same interference issues. Okay. Did they mention anything about uh anything that buyers need to keep in mind since this is a high voltage motorcycle? To you, this is a transparent thing like if Rapi were to not have the high voltage branding here and there and everywhere, you wouldn’t know any difference except for the fact that wow, I can run for so long and there’s no duration. Oh, that’s so cool. Nothing else. Okay. It’s it’s not like when you buy a an MGZs EV or a uh Windsor or a Tata Harrier electric. They don’t tell you that oh you’re running 300 volt architecture so don’t plug yourself into the battery terminals because like uh washing and all you know things like that. There are uh you’ll have areas marked off do not pressure wash and stuff like that. I didn’t see any of these things on the machine but again I’m assuming that in a car there will be areas which are generally shielded by panels and stuff whereas a motorcycle is by default exposed to the outside world. So they have to be more this is why I think that they use these extra heavy uh skins right because which are like you’re saying fundamentally not required but I think they’re doing it to close off these areas from being accessible or just prone to interference. Yeah, possibly because therefore a lot of these battery packs, the motors etc all rated IP67 but the gold standard for this is 69K right? So I have Baja Designs lights for example they rated IP69K and what they’re basically saying is yeah pressure wash these it’s fine because in desert racing which is where they come from you would get them totally soiled and then it’s not like a race mechanic in the middle of a race overnight is going to wash the machine carefully and then shield your lights and wash the rest of he’s going to take a pressure washer and wash it end to end. So 69K is the gold standard. Nobody’s doing 69K. Neither are they. All right. So uh what the con side of the high voltage thing is the degradation that comes from running high voltages. The mini arcs that might happen if the systems aren’t designed carefully. And what do you mean by degradation? So for example, there are small arcs that are happening. So you’re talking about physical degradation. Physical degradation. So all of those reliability factors can only be established over time. Correct. The high voltagees nature is it is more corrosive as it were than a lower voltage architecture. So the benefit that you will see on day one is definitely the fact that hey it doesn’t seem to heat up charging is super simple blah blah blah after 5 years will all the contacts that are being used in all of the systems work just as well and all of that is something only time will tell okay um the usual stuff ride modes yeah so it has uh three riding modes I will put up the names in the top riding mode it’s a nice and fast machine uh in the middle mode it feels very nice to ride and the third mode is surprisingly a heck of a lot slower Okay. Right. Uh I would not say unusable, but versus the other two modes, initial impression is, oh man, I can’t I can’t do this. It’s just too slow. Then you get used to it and it has enough acceleration to get past things, but you’ll get quickly up to about 40 45 kmp. After that getting to about 65, which is where it caps off is a little bit slow for sure. I’m pleasantly surprised that you’re straight away you’re saying nice, which is not nice in that sense, but the calibration seems to be all right. Like it’s the throttle calibration is absolutely clean. There’s absolutely nothing that I have uh natural in that but again we are at the what year 8 or year 10 of electrics. If there is a manufacturer today who can’t get throttle calibrations right, there’s something fundamentally wrong with your engineering. So as much as I’m happy to see a good throttle calibration today, I expect to see a firsttime electric vehicle manufacturer to just get the calibrations right. Reference points are available left, right, and center. So should be you should be able to do it. And again if you look at Ather who had no calibration reference points at that point of time their throttle calibration never so it can be done. Um brakes brakes are just okay. They’re not super sharp. They’re friendly enough and they stop the bike well. There’s nothing else. It’s not super fine tuned modulatable. None of this. It’s a commuter and does that job. It gets the job done. It gets its job done. Uh but the ABS is a little bit lazy. Okay. We’ve seen this lazy ABS before. of the Himalayan hazard for example whe the wheel locks up that so what they explained to me is that that lockup is part of the calibration mechanism because they’re trying to make that also more efficient so it doesn’t have a fixed cycle rate the cycle rate is dependent on what the situation is so the first lockup sets up the rate but to you that is just annoying because you’re basically I was playing with the rear more than the front because I don’t know this motorcycle that intimately but every time I went to a dirt patch and hit the brake hard it would first lock up and then it would unlock itself and start to roll which I’m not sure is such a nice M okay. It also has hill hold the same thing the negative talk hill hold which works reasonably well uh on the dials the in the process of trying to make it super clean some of the fonts and icons are just a little bit too small. So what I suggested to them is remember that the iPhone lets you for example zoom in and see larger numbers and characters. If they can have that option available it might be more useful because it’s not like everybody’s going to be a youngster with great eyesight. Maybe my father wants to borrow it. If we can just change the menu to larger icons, it’ll make the whole thing very simple. So you see an orange thing appear as a piece of text on the screen and then you see the hill hold circular icon. So you sort of correlate that hillhold has come on. But with my eyes, I couldn’t read that. It’s an LCD screen. Uh it’s a TFT screen. Small TFT and a large bezel as usual. So it could have looked more premium if the bezels were narrow or the TFT. No touch and all obviously on this. This through the No, it is a touch screen. It is a touch screen. It is a touch screen. I found the joystick for on the move functions where you’re changing regen levels or riding modes far more useful. But for example, the resetting trip A and trip B, you touch it and press and hold and then it says, do you want to reset the trip? And you press yes. It’s not a great process. Uh holding a button down is a much more intuitive process than that. So it is a touch screen. Some of it works well enough. So you swipe down and you have the notification pane equivalent where the brightness and all of those things are. Some of it works, some of it doesn’t. the button scheme, the way you play with region riding modes, that works really well. Okay. Um, you spoke about region. Uh, it has three levels of region preset. You can select your region on the move just like you can on the ultraviolet. You can go up and down. It shows up as three little bars at the bottom of the screen. So, you can have the lowest region setting, one bar, and you go to the highest bar. I use the highest bar. It works very well. Can I completely disregard the brakes at this point? No. But it is the most intuitive format of the system that I have seen yet. So all the machines where the region level is prefixed which I can select on ultraviolet that’s 10 level 0 to 9 on this it is three. These are the systems I tend to learn the fastest and then grow to trust the easiest. The systems where I have to do this and then there is four degrees of throttle modulated region. The more I use it, the more I’m convinced that this is just a terrible idea. Even if you want to deploy it, please do and then let me switch it off if I want. Correct. Fair enough. Okay. So really interesting. So all the soft aspects of the bike they seem to have gotten handled. Yeah. Yeah. My primary concern before I understood the 240 volt thing was what would they do with the chassis because they’ve got a huge battery pack. But when they lower your expectations say listen it’s just a commuter you are okay. A commuter doesn’t have to do much. And don’t get me wrong if you were to take this bike out on the highway would you have a terrible time? No you wouldn’t. You’ll be okay. But can you have a better time than this for 2.4 lakh rupees today? 100% you can. Will that mean an IC machine? 100%. And at 2.4 4 lakh res today you have some very accomplished IC machines versus that this feels crude but where EVs usually slip up okay you said crude give an example for example a speed 400’s handling is a very sharply refined yes designed for its role thing that’s also true for the scramler 400x that’s also true for the scram which is not super finessed but it has a feeling that connects to the machine and you can take example after example after this and those roles are clearly defined so the Classic 350 which is roughly 2.2 handles a certain way which connects to the role of that machine and there is a 1:1 expectation to that kind of abstraction EV motorcycles have not reached yet. Okay. So from that perspective will it go around the corner? Of course it will. Will you feel like I planned it like this and it did exactly those things and I have such great feelings about sense of identity is not there. Okay. Not yet. Got it. And initially thought I thought it was me like I don’t have so much familiarity with electrics that I’m expecting a certain behavior from a machine but that’s not actually the case. Okay. So the extra weight does get in your way. The lack of suspension travel for the equivalent kind of machine versus the kind of weight it is having to manage the long wheel bases whatever all of these factors get in the way primarily of the frame. And when the frame can’t do its job to the maximum available today then you can feel that there is a gap here. That gap needs to be plugged. Right? So for example uh if you look at the uh electric Himalayan’s battery pack it’s a shaped battery pack. Why is it shaped? It’s shaped so that the mass can be organized for both packaging and center of gravity control. So you can spread it out. Right? In theory you could let’s say that I’m great friends with these RAPY people and I say listen can I build a battery pack which is nine cuboids connected by wiring. Then I can place these nine cuboids in different places on the machine and achieve the weight and COG balance and all that I want. They haven’t got to the place where battery tech is so stable and so um understood that they can have this much complexity right because that means each individual unit has to be waterproofed each one has to have thermal management then each has to be connected in wires to other battery packs and then the whole monitoring system that manufactures every cell has to monitor this distributed it’s a very complicated way to build a great inefficient also it’ll become extremely inefficient yeah so what do you do you build the safest best, most fireproof, most thermally efficient. So, you build a suitcase. But once you build a suitcase, right? Imagine for example that uh he’s about uh let’s call it 80 kilos, I am 50 kilos, my camera person is 40 kilos, let’s call him super light, but we sit roughly in the same place on the motorcycle. But let’s say we built a flexible seating motorcycle where you could sit literally wherever you want. M so he would choose to sit on the front fender and most of the motorcycles behind him and I choose to sit at the tail light and most of the motorcycles ahead of me. Now when you try to design the frame to work it’s just not possible because there is a dense mass sitting at a weird place on the machine and this that that’s the problem. Mhm. All right. What else? That’s it. Very interesting man. Yeah. So the uh motor, the performance, the lack of duration, the lack of heating, the lack of saying, “Okay, so I’ve come a 70 75 km. Now when I go to overtake this bus and roll the throttle, it’s definitely not going to go so fast. None of this happens. It’s awesome.” I was impressed at the temperature indicators. Yeah. Because I remember I think we had this conversation when the talk bike came, right? the talk uh I remember us we were talking about back then I was just saying if it just showed you where it was at consistently you would you could at least as a human being react to that instead of being blind no ultraviolet does that and ultraviolet’s battery pack is superb ultraviolet’s motor is just one level less superb so the motor heats up because they’re giving you so much throughput right so when you’re riding it in the fast mode and fast you will see that motor indication go from it it’s green to oranges and reds but motors recover quickly. So you can also next 3 km when you have to back off a little bit or it forces you software to back off a little bit you will see it return back to orange and then return back to green and when it gets to green you have a lot of performance again because the battery overheating is a much smaller issue on the ultraviolet than the motor temporarily overheating. Aether confirmed this when they built the Apex 2 where they said the Apex Plus mode has a serious amount of performance which overheats the motor more than the battery. So it’s a smaller challenge because you lose that performance for a bit but then the motor will cool off and then you’ll get that performance again. Whereas batteries heat slowly but once they are hot they cool super slowly. Right? So in this particular case effectively on a full charge running from full to empty. I can’t come to a place where either the battery was causing the motor to say bus enough or the motor to say bus enough. Great start man. That’s a good start. That is a good start. So will it be coming in for test? We’ll see. Uh our experience with the electric system so far has been that if they are based in Mumbai which means their facilities here then this is relatively simple to organize but these people are relatively new organizations working out new things and diverting resources to having to transport a machine 1500 km that way is not always possible for them. So I remember that river took quite a while for their machines to come. Once their Pune dealership opened then it became easier for us to get Indies. when we got the first Indian fact it didn’t go back for the longest time because they couldn’t figure out how to take it back and it was awesome because we got to ride that bike so much right uh the ultraviolet guys are now saying that because they have a dealership in Mumbai now it will be easier for us to access a machine if we needed to right ather has a much larger network now so are now super easy to get to but in the initial days these were challenging issues I would expect that even if Rapi was super enthusiastic saying we want motoring to test our vehicle just the logistics of getting us a T30 would be challenging and if by chance it were damaged even in transport report fixing it would be a huge challenge, right? Okay. All right. And to me from the buyer’s perspective, this is what you have to pay attention to also. Are there very impressive aspects about the motorcycles? For sure there are. Mhm. Are they available everywhere? No, you can’t buy one everywhere yet. But if you live in Bangalore, if you live in Chennai, you want to go check out the Rapi, you should, right? But when you’re buying in, remember, you’re buying the first wave of a new kind of thing which will come its own challenges. And we don’t may not and we may not know what those challenges are. And you have to be prepared to sign up for that. So early adopters, they’d be super happy with this. But if you’re a mass market mentality person where you just want this thing to run and happily forever after, maybe it will, maybe it won’t. We don’t I don’t think any mass market buyer should be looking at an electric motorcycle today. Full stop. You I mean mass market buyers for them scooters are the perfect solution. They are commonplace enough. There is a wide variety of choice. They’re fairly well entrenched and they are fairly well um established in terms of what they can or cannot do and what your pros and cons therefore are with anything like this. You are going in and this is that EV conversation again. This goes into the luxury aspect of two-wheer EVs, right? Which means you’re going in for the experience. You can’t be a mass buyer and looking at buying a 2 and a half lakh rupee bike that has a range of 150 km which is something that a regular scooter today I mean the higher variants are promising any which way. Yeah, that’s one. Two, I’ve always had a philosophical issue with electric and motorcycle being connected to each other. You know how Apple pen and this doesn’t make an Apple Pen. In the same way, electric motorcycle doesn’t make a great experience yet. Okay, I’ll give you three or four ways to think about it. Uh when Charlie Bowman and you McGregor decided to do long way up, which was South America on electric holidays and whatever it was called liveire, the first episode was we don’t want this to be a story of charging. Uh by the second episode there was a diesel generator charging and by the third episode they were basically telling us which all plug points they used in and what ways they use those plug points and that was the series that I said that’s it I cannot watch this right uh there’s somebody on an electric zero who’s traveling through India or Nepal or whatever their stories largely also focus on just finding charges yeah chargers and to me the fundamental disconnect that I have is I’ve own motorcycles for a number of years now I test motorcycles and I basically say I want to test that and if I’m free, I will do my own tire pressure check. If I’m not free, some of my colleagues will help me check tire pressures and then I take the bike and I go and whether I’m heading out for a 50 km run or a 400 km run makes no difference to my life because that’s what the machine was designed to do. And that kind of just freedom is not available to electrics yet. And to me, I will buy an electric motor motorcycle because I can see the performance of it. I see it. But the chassis performance, it is not equivalent yet. The freedom of range, it’s not equivalent yet. So if you want novelty value, you want your friends to see it, you’re basically going to show it off around town, your most of your trips are around town, absolutely they are ready for that, which is the same you cycle as a scooter. I have made this joke before where electric motorcycles today, especially at the base grade, they are scooters without storage, right? But if you want a genuine it’ll do anything motorcycle, not yet. Right? I I know somebody like this, okay? Uh he’s a nephew of somebody I know and they went and bought themselves an F77. Mhm. And they’re very happy with their machine. Mhm. Right. So I happened to run into this kid and he’s like a gym boys for full muscles and everything and I asked him I said what do you use it for? I said I just go to college on it. But in his group are all motorcycle riders who take long weekend rides and all this stuff. But that’s not his thing. He’s a gym boy. Like he’s hardcore. Like he’s perpetually coming from the gym and going to the gym. And when he’s not doing this, he’s going to college. For him, the F77 works gang busters cuz it looks different. It sounds different. In the right mode, it goes really fast. But his primary purpose is to go to the gym 3 km away and to go to college, which is 11 km away. Perfect. It’s differentiated enough. It’s cool. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, that clarity to me is important when you’re saying, “Oh, electric motorcycles, they’re a very, very, very cool idea, but just not yet. Yeah, that’s it. All right, what’s next? Lots of stuff. Okay, we’ll leave it at that then. No. So, I have an invitation for what seems to be a updated or new Harley-Davidson street bike. So, I’m assuming 440 platform. I’m not sure if it’s the current bike being updated or a new bike. I have no information on that. Uh I have an invitation to come to Motors that they showed in IKMA. So, we’re not writing anything as far as I know, but all those machines will be there. All right. And uh I have an indication of something else that I’m not allowed to talk about. So, okay. Stuff’s coming. Yeah, stuff is coming. Okay. Would you like to do a quick summary? Oh, yeah. We have to do a quick summary. All right. Um where do we start with this one? Okay. We’ll start with the name. It’s the company is called Rapi which is uh coming from the velociraptor because the founder of this company is fascinated by dinosaurs. Uh the motorcycle itself the shape of it is inspired from the Dominar 400 uh in the form and stance of it. The and we spoke about the chassis first in the conversation. So let’s get that out of the way here as well. It is a nice enough riding motorcycle from in the way it handles and stuff like that is functionally fine. not necessarily an engaging motorcycle. It is a motorcycle the one that Shumi’s ridden in the pilot production which means one of the first few production batches. So things were off in terms of the finish and uh alignment of panels and things like that which uh hopefully will get fixed as they get to deliveries. But the real highlight here about the Rapi T30 as it’s called the name of the model itself is the T30 is what they’ve done with the electric aspects of the motorcycle. It looks like a little contrived. It looks a little bit derived. But what they’ve got here is something that is unique to them because they’ve gone for a high voltage architecture. We are saying running at 240 volts using hardware that’s rated for 400 volts which is typically what’s used on most of the cars. And what that allows is for this motorcycle to be a lot more efficient. It has a 7 kW uh battery pack which is offering a claim range of uh 200 km certified 150 and 150 in the real world. And along with that you have a 20 something kow uh2 22 kow uh motor. Uh and the real impressive thing about this package is that it’s properly usable. That efficiency gains that are coming from a higher voltage system can be experienced on the road. And Shumi when he was riding in the top mode sitting at 120 km for extended durations did not have the system suffering with overheating uh with deration or any of those um unpredictable behaviors which get in the way of a rider’s sense of connection with the motorcycle. We said the chassis aspect of it was okay, but everything else that it’s doing in terms of the motor, the battery performance and all of that really helps the rider. And I was genuinely impressed when he said that throttle nice, ride modes nice, regen, nice and that means it’s natural enough that you don’t think about it again. And that’s actually what you want for it to become a tool that you grow fond of actually. That’s the way I think about It might feel a little anodine, but as it feels more and more natural to you to use, you will end up using it more. The only things that kind of get in the way of the motorcycle continue to be the old school motorcycle stuff. So, the chassis, the suspension is all right. The brakes are all right. The seat he said was terrible. Uh some of the things that are being done for instance the foot peg u uh the foot peg holders are oddly uh structured. The way they are sitting on the motorcycle makes it feel awkward in in the way you put your feet there which is also a problem in the way of the ergonomics because you have your knees pointing in and your feet pushed out wide which makes it a strain setup when you’re sitting on the bike. The seating position itself is kind of like an easygoing street fighter like the RS200. That was the example. So all in all it is a great first product from Rapi because the core electrical and electronic parts of it which can become like this Pandora’s box in Limitless Dreams have been actually brought down calmed down enough to actually deliver a real world advantage an experience that is good and takes this EV story forward. what they need to nail and which is also a thing that most EV manufacturers struggle with especially the bikes is to get the basics of the mechanical stuff the traditional vehicle manufacturing part sorted out right but that’s something that’s a smaller issue here the bigger thing to be discussed is that given that this is a high voltage architecture there have to be necessary precautions taken in the manufacturing process in the service process and uh as a rider you will not have to worry about it but as an owner these are things that you’ll have to keep in that these require newer and more sophisticated systems especially for the two-heer world which need to be built up by Rapi as they expand. Currently they’re only available in Chennai and expanding to Bengaluru as of as of now or soon something like that and the bike costs about 2 and a half lakh rupees 2.4 four lakh rupees. Um, yeah. And that’s basically the Yeah. So, the only thing that we missed out is how I made that navigation mistake and what happened after that. I was so cute. Okay. So, for this if if because they said first batch production, the maps weren’t final. Mhm. And they’re using uh Open Street Maps as a base and they have their own skin on it. So, they had hardcoded the route. Okay. Which is okay. I mean, it’s a demonstrator, right? It’s it’s fine. No, no, I can imagine how it happened there. Right. So, basically there was a fly over that goes up and left and underneath the road also goes left but goes underneath and takes a U-turn. So, I basically failed to distinguish my mistake whether I should go up or go down. Mhm. So, when I went up the entire map disappeared under me and then the screen became white and uh it was a glitch because they said it was a low signal that was causing this issue but it never loaded the surroundings. Mhm. So, I went from being on the blue line to being in white space. M. So, I go up this fly over and there’s some amount of traffic, the broken road thing, and I’m trying to figure out where to make a U-turn. I made the U-turn and basically I am now saying I think if I keep going this direction, then the blue line will reappear and it sort of reappeared, right? So, it was a symbol of how early this machine is in some ways. Mhm. And if you look at how well the motor did from this perspective, I think they’ve done a stunning job. This is nothing. Yeah. The first time we rode the F77 of the track, it had ABS stickers on it, but it didn’t have ABS. So, we went out on track and I was really going for it and I thought there was ABS and I came back and then realized that there was no ABS on the bikes. No, no. The the ultra problem at all was even more symptomatic than this. Remember they said the seat is a prototype but is visually correct. So, film this but use that seat because that seat actually works. And when they swapped the seats, they pressed down, some connector got pressed or disconnected or whatever. And then the bike needed a laptop to reboot and that took 45 minutes to do. Yeah. Yeah. Even though back then the display was a phone that had been stuck in there. Yeah. Which they told us. Yeah. Yeah. But the point is that’s where it I mean that’s how things were. So this is nothing. This is it’s at least working. Yeah. Okay. Nice. All right. Shumi is not telling us what’s coming up next. So you’ll just have to stay tuned to Motorc. And on the app, of course, you’ll get to know what’s happening earlier than you would on YouTube. And since this entire episode has been on YouTube, there is no QFC. No spoilers there, right? But if you have any more questions about the Rapty T30, do hit us up in the Motoring app under this video. This would be the best place for us to have this as a conversation. We will of course talk to you happily on YouTube, Instagram, wherever else you’re catching this. And we’ll get back to you as soon as we can. But we’d love it if you turn up on the app because we’d take this much further there. Anything else? Yeah, the motoring app is free, so I don’t know why you wouldn’t. All right, so thank you so much for watching and we’ll see you on the app.

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01:49 EV Commuter
04:37 Design
14:11 Quality
17:07 240V architecture
23:52 High voltage concerns
34:22 Riding the T30
42:25 Good start!
45:26 Who are EV motorcycles for?
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50:06 Quick summary
54:43 Navigation mistake
56:48 Closing comments
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