Update On Our CARB Era Electric Cars From The Bonnie Collection!
Alex, we are in North Carolina. Indeed. So, we for those of you who remember or maybe don’t remember, um this amazing person, Bonnie, donated her husband’s sort of ‘9s and 2000s carb era electric car collection to us. Yep. And so, we have 12 electric cars. Um, let’s see if I I think it’s maybe 10, 9, 10, 11, something like that. Couple motorcycles, too. Yep. So, a good size fleet of, you know, S10 electric, Ranger electric, RAV 4 EV, a Dodge Epic van, which the coolest of the bunch. And it’s been a couple months since we’ve done an update on all those cars. Yep. Exactly. But the good news is, you can show everyone in the back. We’ve got all the diagnostic equipment for This isn’t all of it. This is just That’s just a couple of them. Yeah, we’ve got a room full basically of stuff. Uh we’ve got chargers, panel chargers, epic van DC chargers from Loheed Martin, like one of two ever made. I don’t know. Yeah, who knows how many are left. And um in this video, we are basically showing you what’s up with the cars and digging into them a little bit more. This is going to be a multi-year process to get all these running. Bonnie’s husband uh made some YouTube videos about these cars back in the day. Yep. And he had a couple that were like running at the time or pretty close to running. And what we’re going to do now is see if we can get them to turn on. Yeah. I mean, it seems like at least two of them were running when they were parked, you know, probably a year and a half to two years ago. Yeah. So, we’re here at the out ofspec office in North Carolina, which is where we’ve had all the cars transported to. Yep. And uh they’re basically sitting track side. So, if you look ahead here, Alex, you can show everyone. Straight ahead is the racetrack that we operate out of. And then if you look to the left, you’ll see the Leaf Limo. We have a whole video on that car that Alex put a second battery in that one. It’s over there um for a multitude of reasons. But then over here are all of Bonnie’s cars and we need to figure out a way to protect them from rain and elements and um we’re going to have them come and get washed and cleaned up as well because some of them are just growing stuff in them. Yeah. So, they need to get professionally cleaned. But the two vehicles we’re going to focus on in this update is the the spicy S10, the one that’s been modified and also is an LFP conversion, right? Lithium iron phosphate pack with still paddle charging. Uh no, it’s converted to J1772. So as an a different onboard charger with J1772 to charge the batteries. So we’re going to look at that one. And then we’re also going to look at the Transit Connect, the Azure Dynamics one, right? the blue one here specifically, not the white one back. Right. What’s up with the white one? The white one? Don’t know. I suspect that he bought it as sort of a parts vehicle, but um yeah, I mean it seems like it’s been sitting for a long time, and it’s uh I haven’t even looked under the hood of it cuz we were missing the key for a long time. We actually found it when uh when we went and picked that up here just a couple days ago. So, I think we have everything now, right? Yeah, I think we have pretty much everything except for the step fan, right? The big one. Yeah, the big step van. Selectria Force. The Selectria city van. City van. The Force was the other thing. The Force is the That’s what I’ve got. I’ve got the Force. It’s a an electric geometro basically. Um, dude, the Epic van is not looking so epic at the moment. I’ll steal the camera so I can show everyone. So, we’ve got the S10 here. Let me put this in the wide view. There we go. So, this thing is really the prized possession, and it’s looking honestly pretty good. Need to uh need to make sure we don’t get too much water intrusion into these. Yeah, we need to figure out a way to get the windows up on this one, but it’s actually missing the window cranks. Yeah, it’s missing the window cranks. Maybe a drill. Yeah, the I think the other one has window cranks in it, so we might be able to steal those and Okay, cool. Yeah, that’s sort of the parts one down there. This is the Epic van. One of just a handful known to exist. There’s three left that are known to exist. I know that the Biata collection in Colorado has one and I guess there’s another one someplace and then this one is the third one that’s known to exist. There’s a fourth one that rumored to be somewhere in California maybe. Okay, interesting. So, it’s the electric powered inter urban commuter. This is the coolest thing. Um, we’ve also got the battery tray in there, Alex. So, when we convert it, we should be able to uh, you know, harvest a lot of these components to try to get this one running. This is going to be a hell of a project, though. I really wonder what happened to all the battery modules on this one, but they’re seemingly gone at this point. So, I don’t know if they got recycled or trashed or whatever, but it does look like we’ve got all or most of the internal uh components for the battery, which is which is important. That’s that’s definitely stuff that we need. Yeah. And it’s also important to mention just how organized uh the owner of the collection was, Bonnie’s husband. Yeah. He had everything, you know, kind of organized in totes and boxes and stuff. User manuals. Yeah. We found all of the manuals for for everything, including this. This was still in the factory binder for the whole service manual and everything. And there’s like handwritten notes and uh printouts of email exchanges and all sorts of stuff. Yeah, this guy was insanely great at documenting. Yeah, he kept track of everything. So, that will make things a lot easier for us. Yeah, hopefully. So, and then we’ve got just over here, we’ve got the Ranger EV. Uh, that needs a battery, right? We don’t even have the tray for it. Yeah, the battery enclosure for this one’s totally missing. I know that I saw one that was available not that long ago that someone was giving away, but I think someone might have already snagged it. Oh, okay. Hope Well, next time we see one of those. I know that there’s a couple of these in wrecking yards being parted out. So, we might be able to get one that way. Either that or just build a whole new enclosure from scratch. So, yeah. Um, which would be a process, but potentially doable. Yeah. Very cool. And, you know, the whole the guts for it at least, right? We’ve got all the guts for it. The Rav 4s, I think, will be easy. This one will be the easiest to get going. Yeah, this one it seems like had some bad cells, but we have a couple of modules that were in one of the garages. And the other two cars may or may not have modules in them that we can that we can steal to get this one running or do a lithium conversion on it. But this car was running a couple years ago, too. We we tried to charge this one and we connected the diagnostic tool and all to it last time and it’s got some cells in it that are completely dead. Yeah, we’ll leave that video linked below. This is sort of the parts S10. Yeah, this one I think he bought for parts. Um I mean it’s mostly complete. The PM was taken out from under the hood, but we actually have the PM for it. Yep. That’s in the main building. Yep. But and this uses an Avcon charger, right? The Ranger. Yeah. So, this uses the Avcon connector, which is the predecessor to J1772. It’s actually uh J1772 is backwards compatible with this. So, this uses Avcon, but this uses the large paddle charger. Yep. And that just goes right behind the front license plate there. And then the Rav 4 uses the small paddle charger, which I didn’t even know there were two different ones. Obviously, you got to hit the release from inside, but you might be able to pull it out. Yeah. And mine, I always hit the release and it pops out. It might be It’s probably latched in there. Down this way, we’ve got uh two more RAV fours. And I mean, I don’t really know what we want to do with these. More or less just parts, I guess. But yeah, actually, it looks like these are these the original tires on these. No, maybe not. I think a Copia is newer. Uh, surprisingly, I was looking at odometers on some of these. This one’s got almost 100,000 miles on. No way. Almost 100,000 on this one. That’s impressive. It’s got a trailer hitch on it, too. Yeah, it was towing with this thing. And that’s like a pretty good like 2in receiver right there. 2in receiver. 4,000 lb tow capacity on that hitch right there. Wow. Okay. You’d be popping a wheelie with this thing. You want to tow 4,000 lbs with this, but yeah. So, this one’s looking pretty good. I mean, all these just seriously need a wash. This is the Spark from the cheap car challenge. So, nothing really to do with this one. I don’t know what we’re going to do with it, but uh something interesting. And then you guys just towed this over from Bonnie’s this week. This one got towed over from Bonnie’s this week. I haven’t even looked under the hood on it because we couldn’t find the key originally. The steering was locked. We had to try and kind of push it around with the skid steer to get it on. And then we found the key after that. Okay. But these were factory Ford electric transit connects powered by Azure Dynamics. Yeah, kind of. So they were the conversion was done by Azure Dynamics and they actually sold them through Ford dealerships. Um but yeah, the powertrain is all Azure Dynamics. Azure Dynamics is essentially what Selectria eventually became. So, Electri was sold I think in 99 2000 somewhere in that neighborhood and uh eventually the company got renamed to Azure Dynamics and then I think they went out of business in 2012. Okay, interesting. So, yeah. I mean, honestly, we really just should I’m going to have a guy come and just clean everything, Alex, because it’s pretty everything’s just been sitting outside and getting nasty and seems like a plan. That’ll be good. Okay. Oh, dang. We have a powertrain. Uh, does not have the branded cover, which I’ve never seen. So, maybe this one’s pretty early. They only did one model year, right? They did 11 and 12. Oh, two model year. Sorry. So, I don’t know off the top of my head what year this one is. I know that the other one, the cabin heater is removed from it cuz I think it had quit working. And I’ve noticed there’s a couple of these cabin heaters in the boxes of parts. So, I think that’s a pretty common failure mode for these. Okay. Interesting. The blue one had an open interlock fault. So, maybe we can try and find out where that interlock. And this one, does it have batteries? Don’t know. It has a battery enclosure under it at least. It’s all plugged in. So, it might still have batteries in it. This might just need a 12vt jump. Yeah, we don’t know. Well, it’s worth we should at least put some 12volt power to this. Yeah, we should see what happens if we give it power. Should we start with that just so we can answer that question first? Might as well. All right, let me get the jump box out of the cyber and then uh then we’ll play around with the the other two cars in the end that way. Smart thing. It might not even work on this if the battery is too dead. Oh, right. Well, we’ll give it a shot. Give it a shot. Yep. So, here you go. Let’s see what happens. Wolf Box. See, I got the light on. Whoops. There we go. They have sponsored us in the past, but I bought this with my own money. Oh, sweet. Not sponsored. Sponsored. Not sponsored. Sponsored. Not sponsored. Okay, it knows it’s connected. And then hit boost. Yeah. Sort of push and hold. Oh, push and hold. Okay. There we go. Start. She’s got power. Give it a shot. See what happens. Oh, and we’ve got this key thing that Oh, baby. Whoa. Whoa. We got lights on the dash. Okay, so we’ve got like all of the lights. Literally every single light in there. Third mode, security, traction control, wrench. Yeah, it’s got all in. It’s not in park. Okay. Oh. Oh, I think our jump off gave up on life there. All right. Hold on. Let’s put it back to start. There we go. Start. [Music] Yeah. Nothing. Nothing. Yeah. Not unexpected. Could just be below voltage on the main battery. Yeah. Who knows? There could be any number of things. I know that the BMS’s in these are really prone to circuit board failures. Oh, okay. That’s a pretty common problem. And did he have um some receipts for circuit board repair? I think that was so all of those were in the binder for the epic van. So I think it’s stuff related to the epic van. He really wanted to get that epic van running. Yeah. I uh I didn’t really look at any of the receipts or anything or the service manual for the transit van. So there might be some receipts or something somewhere. Factory electric badge. Yeah. Same badge that the Focus Electric uses. Yeah. How cool is that? It’s kind of neat. All right. Well, this will be I don’t think this one’s going to be that hard. Um, yeah, it just depends. We’ll have to We We can try and plug a scan tool into it maybe at some point. See what’s what’s up with it. Yeah, we do have the scan tool, the official scan tool for all of these on the old like Windows XP laptop. Yes. All right, cool. Well, let’s grab that off. Let’s see what happens with the S10 since that’s the most interesting of all the cars, I think. For sure. It was worth a try. Yep. Worth a shot. S10 electric. This is the one that was in the garage. This This was the one that was like his baby. This was the one in the garage. This is what This is what started it all. Here was this truck right here. He loved to modify mini trucks. Yeah. Definitely a mini trucker. So, this was the electric one, and he put in I we got to figure out how to get the bed up at some point, but if you watch the previous video, there’s like a seethrough cover on the LFP battery, and we we might need to get access to that to try and get this running, maybe. Okay. cuz I think there I when I went back and looked at the video, I think I noticed that something was disconnected. So, we’ll uh we’ll have to see if maybe we can figure out how to get this up cuz Yeah, it’s also got power windows. We noticed. Yeah, actually. So, if you put the jump box Well, we have never gotten 12volt power to this yet, have we? No, we’ve never put 12volt power to this cuz the battery was dead when we got to it and we didn’t have the jump pack down at the other shop. So, we never really we never really got a real chance to see if this thing would run. So, well, yeah, maybe the day. I think today’s the day. I think we should at least put 12volt power to it and see what happens. Okay, let’s uh let’s disconnect our high voltage here. And why would we do that? Um well, cuz I think there’s something disconnected in the battery. So, I want to disconnect that just so it doesn’t try to close contacttors if we’ve got stuff disconnected in there. Yep. And then we can try and jump it and Well, or should we try and reconnect the battery first? Oh, we might need 12 volt power to get the bed up. That’s what I was thinking. I thought it was a hydraulic bed. Yeah, it is. So, so we might need 12 volt power. Let’s Let’s get 12 volt on this thing. All right. So, that’s dead. We know that. But is there a switch on the battery? Uh Whoops. Actually, I think these terminals are This is just for the stereo system. Oh, okay. Yeah, the lugs are down there. Yeah, the lugs are down there. But we should either way should be fine to get it jumped. Dang. I’m excited to see what happens here, dude. Yeah. I feel like this is going to have underglow. It might. Who knows? All right. So, we’ll get that black to red, red to black. Of course, we all know the drill, right? Oh, is it even going into boost? No. It might be too dead. Might need to actually get a different 12vt for it. Yeah. Yeah. Try hitting boost again. Nope. might be too smart. Yeah, our terminals here also like this one’s a painted terminal. So, that’s always good for a great connection. Yeah, we can try a different spot, but the other connections here are side posts. They’re a little bit hard to get to. Look at that. We got uh we got our start thing on by switching to side post. Side post got it to give juice. Let’s see if we get any signs of life. Oh, so the key was actually in the on position. Oh, interesting. But I’m not seeing yet. I got nothing. No, there must be a switch. There could be a disconnect. Let’s uh maybe we’ll try and take a peek around and see what else we can find here. All right, we got some power now. I think we had a weak con connection with our starter box there, but we’ve got beeping noises. Oh, baby. Look at that, dude. The battery pack’s at voltage. Oh, yeah, it is. So, maybe there isn’t anything disconnected. Uh, I think you put Well, how can it read that with the high voltage disconnect? It’s just reading from the BMS. It’s just like a service loop disconnect. So, I see. Um Oh, and we lost our boost there. Yeah. But this thing woke up. It woke up. Okay, that’s exciting. Should we try to We heard something in the PEM make a tac click. So, should we try and just reconnect this? I mean, hell yeah. Another boost and see see what happens. See what happens. Absolutely. Timing. This thing just lit up. Oh, it started. Well, we’re just the 12 volt. It It’s It did stuff. Oh, that’s good. It’s better than nothing. That’s right. H shouldn’t be holding to hold that long. Might have to readjust our connections here a bit. It’s possible. Wolf box a little too smart for this. There we go. Yeah, this battery might be a little too dead. Yeah, but if we can get the DC to DC going, right? Oh, it doesn’t want to boost, Alex. Uh-oh. It might might have lost a good connection, so it might not be it may not even detecting the battery anymore. Oh. Oh. Okay, there we go. We got juice and the high voltage disconnects in. Well, I don’t know if our Yeah, the battery might still be unplugged. Yeah, it might not. Yeah, I don’t think we got a good connection cuz I I saw a spark there and we don’t have a door dinger anymore. So, that’s a good point. We’ve uh we’ve got connection issues here. So, the battery terminals are just a bit corroded and have nasty stuff on them. They’re hard to get uh hard to get these Oh. Oh, I heard another click there. I touched it and it clicked. So, okay. Maybe you got just enough. Nope. Nothing. All right. We’ll be back with the viewers when we get this all be back when we get this going. Yeah. I’ve got power. Okay. I’ve got it on. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don’t know what this means. I’ve got a lot of lights on the dash. Service soon. Anti-lock. I imagine this sweeping means it has no idea what charge it’s at. Probably. Apply brake. Turn on. It tried, but it doesn’t want to connect. And then we just lost the jump box. So, I I think there is something that’s disconnected in the battery here. So, we might need to address that. But I’m surprised it’s reading a pack voltage there. Well, it’s gauge. It could be that the gauge just reads that when it’s off. Sure. Doesn’t have data or something. Yeah, that’s possible. Uh, interesting how it has regen 100% zero. Oh, that’s regen 100% and then power output 100%. Yeah. So, it’s got a power gauge. How about that? It’s pretty cool. Some modern cars don’t even have that. Yeah. This is really cool. You should see what gauges the Ranger has. It’s got even more than that. Really? Yeah. Okay. Very cool. Yeah. I say let’s figure out how we get this bed up. Knowing him it’s got to be something. Actually, let’s get the window up before anything. Yeah, that’s probably a good idea. I’ll try and rejump it and then you can try and do the windows. Hit the up and down. Yep, there we go. Window. Window. We’re good. Key off. Oh, it sounds so sad. We have got the bed opened up. We found out Danny when he was shipping it drained all the hydraulic fluid out of this. Yeah. Out of the cylinders. Yep. So that way he could get it down. Yeah. And we don’t know how it’s powered anyways. So that’s fine. Uh so yeah, that works. So we’ve just got it propped up here. So what are we looking at here? A bunch of LFP cells, right? Yeah. So a bunch of LFP. Um and we can see this big cable here is disconnected. So we’ll have to reconnect that. There’s actually a bunch of cells in here that are not used, which I assume he just put in there as filler just to fill up the rest of the pack, right? Probably just for visual effect. But if a cell ever failed or something, might be able to reuse one of those. Um, but it looks like we This thing’s just kind of sitting on here. So, yeah, perfect. Um, I think we can just grab this piece of plexiglass. Yes, you can. What the heck? Safety. Don’t fall in there, Alex. Yeah, safety. Safety. Safety first there. Um, so what do we have with this plastic bag? I think it’s just to hold the cable up. I think so. There is. No, I think it is just a bunch of empty plastic bags. So, that was just to hold the cable up there. So, I think we got to reconnect that and into what cell area. So, it would go on this cell right here. So, that’s the end of the string. Yeah. All right. So, there is something connected to this. Yeah. Um that might be for the charger, maybe. I bet what that’s what it’s for. It’s for the aftermarket charger here. Okay, that would make sense. At least that’s my best guess. So, I guess you want to get some high voltage gloves or anything? Uh, I don’t know if we have any here. So, we’ll uh we’ll just have to go extra careful mode and not touch anything. Yeah, absolutely. We don’t know how much voltage is in this pack. Uh should be over 300 volts. If it’s charged, if it’s not dead, even if it’s discharged pretty heavily, it would still be probably, you know, over 200 volts. So, still a lot of voltage here. Um, I guess if we had a multimeter, we would measure the pack voltage. Well, let’s do that first. Okay, sounds like a plan. All right, so let’s run up, grab the multimeter. Yeah. And then see what we’re actually volage cautiously. Yeah. All right, Alex, I have the hospital programmed into the Cybert truck just in case we need to get you there. So, we’ve got our multimeter here. He seems to think it’s no big deal, but voltage scares me, dude. Uh, yeah. Well, you should touch it with your tongue. It’s an invisible killer. Oh, yeah. This this amount of voltage can certainly be deadly. So, let’s see. Oh, no big deal. Yes, just just don’t touch it. Yeah, don’t touch it. Yeah, Alex. I mean, you’ve seen how clumsy I am. So, let’s put that there. I don’t know if you can see that. Get the camera. Yeah, I’ll be able to. I’ll be able to. Positive end over here. You’re going across the whole battery. Yep. A negative end over here. Oh, 19.1.73. That That doesn’t make no sense. That’s no bueno. So, let’s just check a couple. Oh, zero. All right. So, we might be bricked here. Oh, no. Which sucks big time. Oh, no. You got the right setting on there. It’s set to volts. I mean, can we change our range? Range press. We can try that. See if that does anything different. I’ve adjusted the range on it. Usually, usually these default to auto when you start, but yeah. 19. Jeez. So, we’re a dead pack here. Bad news. Bad news. What if you use do those unused cells? Where are they at? Um, check them. See, let’s change the range again so that it shows a more accurate thing. I think that’s auto 2.4. Oh, okay. So, that’s low end, but but for lithium iron phosphate, that one is dead. That’s interesting. So, we’ve got another dead one. Another dead one. 2.8. Okay. It’s interesting how they’re all a little bit different. Another one. That’s nothing. That one’s like actually an open circuit measurement there. Sam, we stole your multimeter. All good. Sam, help me find it. I know. Oh, okay. Great. Yeah, that’s right. Bad news. Brick bricked battery. Yeah, bad news. Bricked battery. So, probably going to need to do a pack rebuild on this one to get that going. So, you can lick it, Alex. You’re fine. Yep. It’s totally totally safe now. Well, 3.28. So, you’ve got basically one cell worth of voltage across that whole screen. Yeah. Yeah, that sucks. But at least LFP cells are pretty easy to find. Yeah. And if we did do an LFP setup in it, we wouldn’t have to change anything. Yeah. May as well. Yeah. I mean, the BMS and everything’s already set up for it. The charger set up for it. Just have to find something that’s dimensionally close to this and all of the wiring and everything would just match right up. Do they still make these cells? Uh, I think these are calves. Uh they might make these, but I think this these calps are kind of not so great. Yeah, but there’s lots of options out there. Um well, that’s such a bummer. See what we can find for it. Yeah. But at least the 12vt systems all work and we got the windows up. Yeah, we got the windows up. So, at least that’s a plus. It won’t get rained in anymore. So, yeah. All right. Well, that’s uh bad news. On to the Transit, maybe. Yeah. Let’s try the blue one. Well, we’ve given up on the S10 as we just found out that needs new cells. So, if anyone’s watching and has some cool cells laying around, hit us up in the email down below. Uh, now we’re going to start working on the blue Azure Dynamics uh, Transit Connect van. And this one has the writing on there, which is cool. So, maybe this is a later model. Yeah, I think that this is probably like a 2012. So, that would be at least that’s my guess. I think that this is just glued on. So maybe the other one just popped off of the fell out. Yeah, it could be. Um, so the issue with this, Alex, was the interlock was somehow broken. Yeah. So it has an open interlock fault. Um, I don’t remember for sure, but I think when we plugged the diagnostic laptop into this before, I think the pack voltage and everything looked okay, but it won’t start with an open interlock, right? Because that’s a safety system. So, if we can follow the loop and try to find any break in it. Yeah. And repair that or patch it or just plug in the connector. Hopefully, it might just be something that’s unplugged. So, then maybe it’ll just start up. Yep. It just might because it was running recently. It was running when it was parked. Yeah. Ran ran when parked, right? Yeah, exactly. So, it shouldn’t shouldn’t be that bad. Let’s hope at least Alex has got the multimeter going. We’re going to basically just start checking continu continuity of lines. Yeah. Make sure that we’re things are connected where we think they’re connected. This one is kind of busted. So, I mean, it could be that. It could be that. Yeah, that looks like it’s intact. We got another connector unplugged here. Yep. So, we’ve got another connector unplugged. Um, we want to measure between here and this one. Not sure which side it is, but we’ll find out. So, nothing. Okay. Okay. So, we do have intact loop between those. We are going to hit the boost on the 12vt just to see what happens. We can’t find any real major issues with the interlock. The interlock’s in here, even though that high voltage disconnect is open, which is sketchy, so don’t do that at home. Okay, we’ve got 12 volt on it. Okay, we’ve got bings and bones. Still every Christmas tree light in the world. Seems happy. Yeah, it does have some stuff that seems maybe different than the other one. Yeah, I would agree. But it’s also not showing any state of charge. Yeah, it’s not showing any state of charge at all. Try it. may have just died there. Yeah, we just killed the ping. Um, yeah, I guess, uh, diagnostic tool, see where we’re at. Maybe try and clear some codes and see if anything happens. All right. Yeah, at least we can see if there’s any voltage in it. Let’s do it. Yeah, we’ve got the old Dell powered up with the Azure ECU flash utility program. Yeah, we’re actually looking for a different program here. So, we’re going to exit this application. There’s this one and then there’s a diagnostic program. So, how cool is it that all these cars came with literally cases of diagnostic equipment for each one individually? It’s brilliant. Yeah. So cool. Yeah. If anyone’s ever going to leave a connection, do it like this guy. Jim, right? Was it Jim? Yeah. Jim the man. Here we go. So, let’s go key on and we’ll go let’s just say DTC’s. It says not connected though, Alex. Oh, yeah. Well, oh, connected. Oh, okay. That’s good. So, high voltage interlock circuit low circuit low DC voltage. Yeah. So, all interlock codes. And that’s it, right? That’s it. That’s the only codes that we have. So that’s promising. That is promising. Let’s see if we can go to the which module is going to be the one that has pack voltage. What’s this? Nope. SASM fault. Maybe VCU. Damn. It gives you all the data, doesn’t it? It does. Have you seen this program before? Uh, only when we looked at it last. So, we have Well, this isn’t promising. Well, that’s bus voltage past the pack, I think. So, the problem is I don’t know how we get to the battery pack info. Enable high voltage mode. ES ESS pack one voltage 354.8. It’s at 75% state of charge. Yeah. So, perfect. So, we’re we’re pretty good here. We found some more codes there, Alex. Yeah. So, we found some more codes that I don’t think we looked at this stuff last time, but we’ve got some pack uh voltage sensor issues here. I think this is a known problem on these where some of the circuit boards in the BMS can have issues with the voltage detection. Is it possible that the interlock fault is in the BMS? Maybe. or maybe it’s throwing an interlock fault because of this issue. Um I might have to do some more research and see what the actual um what am I trying to think of? Basically what the behavior is for this particular issue cuz I know that there can be issues with the circuit boards and the BMS on these. So maybe that’s what we’ve got going on. Um, I wanted to see if we could vehicle history. Oh, look at that. So, we’ve got distance traveled since life. So, 7,400 miles. Is that what it shows on the odometer, too? No, it shows 13,000. 13,000. Okay. So, okay. Maybe this pack was replaced at some point. That’s kind of cool. Vehicle charge time. Vehicle charge events. How many charge events? Uh, 1454. Oh wow. Eagle shutdowns 323. Oh wow. Okay. So let’s go back to here. Clearing codes. Oh baby. We’ll try and clear the codes here and see what we get. That would be amazing. Clear code. Start up. Drive away. Yeah. Who knows? I mean with dead 12volt battery, you never know what kind of codes it can throw. I I do think that our interlock code though is gonna pop back up. I think that’ll pop back up. These ones I guess we’ll see. Um but yeah, pack two. Pack two codes. Um yeah, we’ll just hit save on that. Codes are cleared. Maybe I’m not going to hit get stored codes again yet. We’ll just see what happens if we go off and back on. [Music] Oh, we got a temperature reading that time that popped up. Oh, I think I did that last time. Okay. And we got a Oh, disconnected. We disconnected from this. So, we’re reconnected now. So, we’ll hit okay. I assume we’re still going to have the interlocks interlock codes. Yeah. So, we’ve got interlock, circuit high, and circuit. So we have primary DC high voltage interlock circuit high and secondary DC high voltage interlock circuit low. Interesting. Uh should we swap them? Also we have like 1.4 volts on this particular code for some reason. H Alex, let’s give the viewers an update. Yeah, it’s a bit of an update. It looks like both our ESS codes are um are they’re offline. We can’t connect to them. Nor can we connect to the charger or the WC. Not sure what W is, but apparently that’s something onboard charger. Nope. Cuz we’ve got charger right here. H. So yeah. Anyway, I don’t know. So maybe we’ve got something else underneath that’s unplugged that does data stuff canvas that’s maybe preventing us from being able to talk to those components. But we did get to see the state of charge, didn’t we? But yeah, we did see a voltage at some point which I think you can go enjoy some AC. Yeah. Where were we when we saw that? Was it under VCU? Maybe. Yeah. Yeah, it was under VCU. is right there. So, we did have that stuff and now we don’t. We enter diagnostics mode. Okay. So, if we enter diagnostics mode now, we get ESS. Oh, okay. Let’s try. So, now read the codes. Let’s see what it shows here. So, we’ll try and get stored again. Oh, there we go. Okay. So, interlock interlock plus this other stuff. So, we do definitely still have an interlock issue, it seems like. something is disconnected. Um, or a wire’s chewed or something. So, might require a little bit of trial and error to go through and measure all the stuff on that. I don’t know if we can really do that out here super easily. No, we’ll have to put it in the lift. We’re inside our bay now. Ignore the trash pile. Um, yeah. Wanted to show the viewers some of the cool diagnostic equipment and chargers and other stuff. We’ve got boxes of stuff. We have one of the PMS here for the um uh what the heck the S10 electric. It’s very similar to an EV1 drivetrain. Yeah, I think the PM and stuff is pretty much the same, but I think they software limited the power a bit on the S10. Okay. Uh but as far as I know, the Pemman and everything is more or less identical. I’m not sure if there might be some slight differences. That’s pretty cool. And then we’ve just got some boxes full of random stuff in here. Yep. some assorted parts either that go to some of the vehicles specifically or parts that would be related to maybe converting them to a different battery systems like one of those has a high voltage onboard charger. Uh there’s a Orion battery management system, some other stuff like that. Yeah. So, super cool that we have all that. We’ve got the zeros here as well. Yep. Both the zeros here. Not sure what the status is on these as far as the packs go. They’re probably bricked would be my guess, but we’ll have to take a look at those at some point. Yeah, this will be the perfect place to go ripping this thing around for sure. Yeah, it’d be lots of fun. And so then this is uh this is the GM paddle charger, right? So that’s got the large paddle on it. And there’s actually the one of these we stuck in the trunk of one of the RAV fours, but actually this is the Toyota version. This is the small paddle. This is a small paddle. Yeah. So this is small paddle for the Toyota. Oh, nice. Yep. So that’s So we do have a portable one over there. That’s the large paddle that fits the S10. Okay. It’s in one of those totes somewhere. And then we’ve got um this which is the epic van charger. Yep. And so that’s a Loheed Martin. Like there, Alex, there can’t be many of these out there. I can’t imagine there’s very many of them left. I mean, I’m sure there were a pretty small number to start with. And I mean, who knows how many there are anymore. Epic charger. And this is its proprietary DC connection, right? Yep. So, I was actually looking at the service manual for this charger when it was designed. Apparently, it was designed for both AC and DC charging. Um, but I was reading through like some of the email correspondents from the previous owner that used to own the Epic Van before Jim did, who you also know him? Yep. And I also know him. His name’s William. And, uh, he drove this he drove the Epic Van for probably 10 years, maybe more. Wow. um as a daily driver and then one day it quit on him. We should have him come out and see it. We’ll wash it before he sees it. It’s It’s a little bit sad looking these days. So, very cool. I think that when he bought it, it didn’t have a charger. Does this open up? Uh yeah, we haven’t actually tried to open it up, but we should see what we can find out. Yeah, let’s see what’s in here. Tape on here is pretty nasty stuff, but let’s see if we can get that peeled off enough to open it. Maybe. There we go. That would that would have been the easier way to do it. Um, okay. So, I guess it’s just a twist. And so, this is No way. Look at that. That’s interesting. So, is that a 1450 connection? Yeah, it must be. Yeah. Or uh Oh, 650. Yeah. Okay, cool. Got a little fan in here. I guess that what in practice the actual production versions of these units were DC only and that’s what this is. I assume so. Um I mean we could probably I mean I’m not seeing any power modules like AC to DC. Uh but there would be DC to DC, but where would those go? Well, no. This this is Oh, this is AC to DC. Yeah, this is AC to DC. Oh. So, where are the actual power modules for it? Um, unless they’re in here. I mean, it’s fairly low power DC charger. So, this basically is like an onboard charger that you find in an EV, except it just happens to be offboard. Yeah, we’re not talking 20 30 K. We’re not talking about 20 or 30 kW. We’re talking about something I think this one goes on a 30 amp circuit, maybe. Or maybe it’s a maybe it’s a maybe it’s a 50 amp circuit. I don’t know. That is cool to be able to see inside of that though. Yeah. They have a uh um phone number for service. H E Tech EVs. Apparently those were the guys. Never heard of them. Uh but yeah, so that’s that thing. That’s similar to some of the paddle charging screens. Yeah, the screen on it looks just like paddle charger. Well, this one doesn’t have that screen. The other one does, but yeah, same same screen on that. I think we went over the diagnostic equipment when we were there before. Yeah. So, I think our viewers have seen that. But each one of those contains the connections, the proprietary software, a computer if needed. Yep. All for each car. Yeah. For each car. Jim really went through and sourced every single little possible thing. Yeah. But the really exciting thing that that Tyen and I and Bonnie found when we were there uh just a couple days ago was all of the service manuals for everything. Oh, let’s show everyone that. Um we’ve got some of them back here. So, what’s this? Oh, so this is for a motor controller. Not really related to any of the vehicles specifically, but we do have that controller. Uh oh, we’ve got a RAV 4 EV service manual or owner’s manual rather. Oh, yep. So, and the Regge. Yeah, apparently it was from California. Mhm. Oh, we’ve got the uh Selectria van. So, this I don’t think has it’s got sort of universal service manual stuff for the Select motor controllers. Um I actually have a a copy or two of this same manual with all my stuff, but you can see the eBay auction that he How much did he pay it for or pay for it? Um, I think that I had found it in here somewhere, but I don’t remember. But I’ve actually seen this exact picture online. Hm. 65K dubs. And this is actually much higher voltage than uh like the Selectria Force or anything. This is like a 360 probably 300 volt system. So like double the voltage of a Force. Um, which is pretty interesting. I didn’t expect that it would be that high of a Dude, this is so cool. Yeah. But yeah, we’ve got all that stuff. connecting regen brake lights. How about that? Yeah. So, this is all like for someone doing a conversion with this electric inverter cuz they sell these inverters to you know other people that uh you know either for DIY or whatever. Oh, there you go. So, $1275 is what he paid for that van. Nice. Basically free. Basically free. This probably would have been one of the last vehicles that Selectria ever built cuz I think or at least built before they sold cuz I think they sold in 99 2000 2001 something like that. Almost had to sneeze there. Yeah. So, it was a city state and city vehicle. Yep. And then we’ve got lead acid batteries. The battery boxes are empty. I looked in it when we were there and I actually realized the motor controllers are there. They’re just in the back of the van rather than mounted where they’re supposed to be. Well, we got to go and get this. This is still at Bonnie’s place. And that’s kind of how the motor setup is in it. So, it’s got two motors on either side of the drive shaft that are connected together via a belt drive. That is so cool. Yeah. Uh the S10 electric that Selectria did was pretty similar. Uh but on those they actually flipped the axle around backwards and put the motors behind the axle. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. Anyway, that’s that fun. Cool. Um Oh, there you go. Service and training manual for the Loheed Martin. Yep. That’s No one does that. Yeah. Dang. Cool. This is for Orion BMS. Yep. We’re familiar with those. We’ve got S10. Holy moly. Book one. Book one. Dude, that is the thickest book. Look at this, guys. And I think we’ve got multiple copies of S10 manuals, which is pretty cool. But yeah, just got everything in here. I mean, we’ve got pie rod replacement and everything. I mean, a lot of this stuff would be just normal S10 stuff. Yeah. Well, except maybe not, cuz it might share suspension a little bit more with uh with an EV1. Oh, interesting. Although, yeah. Don’t know if they did like a four-wheel drive suspension on the They might have had the four-wheel drive front suspension for the front. For the front of it. Yeah. And then, oh, look at this epic service manual. No one has that. So, yeah. Epic service manual supplement in the original factory binder, which is cool. That is so cool. That’s where all the emails were for everything in here. and some receipts for repairs. H handwritten notes, progress chart. Yep. All sorts of interesting stuff. There’s some pages in here that are bookmarked. So, like for the coolant, how to drain the coolant. We’ve got wiring diagrams, more stuff that’s all bookmarked. Powertrain controller. So, I think at at some point there was a problem with the transmission range switch cuz there seems to be a lot of things bookmarked related to that and extra copies of like this diagram printed out. So, don’t know if that was ever resolved or if there was something else going on, but yeah, that is the coolest thing ever. Pretty cool. And this is something that would be impossible to find. So, I know that um I actually wrote the guys at the Biata collection and they said that they gave Jim a copy of the service manual. So, this must have been what they the Biatas. Yeah. Yeah. So, this uh must have been what they gave him. And uh I’m glad that it’s still around and that it didn’t get lost cuz Yeah, that’s rare. Unobtanium. So, yeah. Yeah. I mean, of course, if anyone’s watching this video and has an Epic van and needs to service it, we are happy to donate the cause. Oh, so this is going to be the software for the Transit. Okay, cool. Don’t know if it’ll work on a newer Windows computer. It might have to be like a 32bit system or something, which is probably why it’s on that old Windows XP laptop. Yep. Uh, what else do we have here? S10. I think that these yellow ones are also S10. Yep. So that’s battery. Oh, so this is battery pack apparently for the original battery. Yep. And then this is book two and book one. You just throw it on the Yeah. Ground or whatever. Oh, that’s transit. That’s transit. How much you buy that for? Six grand or so. Uh, so offer accepted. It was 5600, but then he must have sent an offer. So, it doesn’t say what the off Oh, there we go. 45 4500 bucks. So,4500 for the Blue Transit. Did it run? It must have say, but I’m guessing that it probably did. Those are the I love how he printed out the original photos. Used to have cabinets in the back of it. That’s cool. Hm. Oh, so we’ve got a can do. Interesting. Oh, yeah. So, this is an EVTV thing. Yep. So, I wonder if he set something up with that. Maybe that’s why it’s throwing some faults. Yeah. Maybe there’s a can issue with this thing. Or maybe he was trying to do Yeah, we’d have to do some research and see what exactly has gone on with this. This is one that I haven’t even gotten a chance to look through yet. Interesting. Cool. And then was there anything else in there? I think a couple more in the bottom. I think these are probably Ranger. Yeah, Ford Ranger. So, I’ve actually got PDF copies of this stuff, but it’s cool to have the hard copies. Absolutely, dude. This is amazing. It’s a It’s a gold mine of vintage EV info. Well, look at that. I used to have one of those for my old Rangers. How about that? Little quick service guide. Yeah. Yeah. So, when we start our electric vehicle museum one day, we’ll have a lot of supplemental content in there beyond just the cars. Yeah, for sure. There’s uh tons of really cool info here. That is neat. Well, Alex, I think uh while we didn’t make any particular progress with the cars today. Yeah, we learned a lot. Yeah, we learned something. Um and yeah, we’ll have to figure out a path forward to get them back on the road again. Yeah. So, if anyone’s watching and wants to come and help or has ideas, especially pack for S10, that’s going to be needed. Yep. We’re going to need probably the simplest solution will be to just swap in some other lithium iron phosphate setup in it. Um whether we can find some existing modules to retrofit um or just do the individual cells like it’s set up now. So, yeah. Very cool. Well, thanks to everyone for watching. Thanks to uh Alex for coming out here to work on this a little bit in his spare time. We’ll uh we’ll have to pick this up again soon. I don’t know when, but hopefully hopefully not too far in the future. Hopefully before the year end, we’ll get one of the cars running. That I think that’s a good goal. One car running by end of year. Try and get something running before the end of the year. Yeah.
Go to https://bit.ly/RenewEVraffle for your chance to win a Rivian, Lucid, OR a Porsche EV – YOU CHOOSE! The second-prize winner will choose between a Hyundai Ioniq 5 or the Volkswagen Buzz. And this year, there’s a third prize, the Chevy Equinox EV! Your $200 ticket helps support the nonprofit work of CCAN Action Fund.
Alex’s email: Alex@outofspecstudios.com
Alex’s shop: https://wattworks-ev.com
***************************************************************************
Send your questions and content suggestions! info@outofspecstudios.com
Find all of our Amazon must-haves here:
https://www.amazon.com/shop/influencer-3317696d
For more behind the scenes content:
Follow @Out_of_Spec on X: https://twitter.com/Out_of_Spec
***************************************************************************
If you liked this video, we recommend checking out some of our other channels!
Out of Spec Reviews: @OutofSpecReviews
Out Of Spec Motoring: @OutofSpecMotoring
Out Of Spec Detailing: @OutofSpecDetailing
Out of Spec Podcast: @OutofSpecPodcast
